27 may be obvious even if unexpected

[The Frankish Reich]

Hendon Hooker: 25 years old

Sam Darnold: 25 years old

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, somnus00 said:

You are correct. I wasn't advocating for this draft idea. I think it's a horrible concept given the teams current holes. I was just saying that it's easy to see Hooker going in the first. That's all. This team needs contributors now. Not a luxury QB pick.

I gotcha. If he wasn’t injured I would say yes. But with his injury and age, I think there is zero chance he goes 1. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Hendon Hooker: 25 years old

Sam Darnold: 25 years old

Sam Darnold: Proven insufficient NFL QB.

Hendon Hooker: A completely different person.

 

If I wanted to create similarly irrelevant comparisons I could point out that Hooker and Herbert both start with H.  That would be equally dumb.
 

The point is this:

 

After 26 picks have been made the Bills will hold the top remaining pick in the draft.  If there are still 2 or more QB needy teams…..there will be…..and Hooker is available……he might be…..the Bills will have more leverage than any team in the league.  They can fritter it away on some slow LB from the Midwest, a pipsqueak WR or some other guy that might do ok, or they can move down a little, get a similar player and 2024 assets….or they can use their inevitable leverage at a later date.

 

If you have an asset with the ability to increase in value, you don’t cash it in for face value.

 

This same argument goes for Levis but it is almost certain he will be gone.

[The Frankish Reich]

48 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Sam Darnold: Proven insufficient NFL QB.

Hendon Hooker: A completely different person.

 

If I wanted to create similarly irrelevant comparisons I could point out that Hooker and Herbert both start with H.  That would be equally dumb.
 

The point is this:

 

After 26 picks have been made the Bills will hold the top remaining pick in the draft.  If there are still 2 or more QB needy teams…..there will be…..and Hooker is available……he might be…..the Bills will have more leverage than any team in the league.  They can fritter it away on some slow LB from the Midwest, a pipsqueak WR or some other guy that might do ok, or they can move down a little, get a similar player and 2024 assets….or they can use their inevitable leverage at a later date.

 

If you have an asset with the ability to increase in value, you don’t cash it in for face value.

 

This same argument goes for Levis but it is almost certain he will be gone.

If you're saying some QB needy team will make us a great offer for Pick 27, well, that would certainly be nice.

But its quite a different thing to say we should pick Hooker ourselves at 27, hoping that some other team will come out of the woodwork and all of a sudden offer great value for him. I would assume that if some other team really likes him, they'll be on the phone with Beane trying to make that trade for Pick 27.

 

[CaptnCoke11]

4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

This year’s draft it reputed to be weak in general.  The Bills, like every other team, have holes to fill but impact at 27 seems unlikely  in 2023.  There truly is only one choice to gain real value if he falls to 27:

 

Hendon Hooker.

 

QBs have value 10x any other position.  Will the value we get from Hooker arrive in 2023?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

The top option would be to not actually select Hooker but trade the pick to move down a little and get additional picks in 2024 from which we might derive value.

 

Next choice is to play a game of chicken with teams that think they can trade up in the 28-31 range and get him.  Remember Miami cheated so only 31 first rounders.  If they won’t trade with us, simply draft Hooker and hold him hostage for a few hours or up to a year.

 

The least likely but still realistic option is to draft Hooker and entertain the possibility of developing him and getting a King’s ransom for Allen in 2-3 years.  I don’t love this as I am a big fan of Josh, but it’s a business.

 

If Hooker is there at 27 our pick simply has to involve him via trade, extortion or true selection.  There is no way to get that amount of value from anyone else.  Crappy receivers, decent receivers that may still be there in the 2nd, running back, OL who may end up being matched by another guy in the 3rd?  Absolutely no way.  GAIN value for the team.

 

If Hooker is gone, which he probably will be, then we can be pedestrian.  If not, be bold.

You really needed to start this thread with a “hear me out”

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said:

Hooker is not going in the first round. This is a product of the media only wanting to focus on 1 position in terms of draft coverage and the more they have early then the more talking points they have. Draft coverage is extremely difficult these days because it’s so quarterback centric. 

they said the same thing about Lamar Jackson, till it got close to draft and people thought... he might sneak into round 1. To say "he is never going in the first round" is pure crystal ball garbage. you don't know what others feel and there desperate QB position.. with it only 4-7 spot move and maybe a desperate team having QB needs? I can see it, I could easy see this happening, 

Edited April 8, 2023 by PrimeTime101

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

We can do this…then trade Josh for a boatload of picks.

We can win April every year.

[PrimeTime101]

6 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

We can do this…then trade Josh for a boatload of picks.

We can win April every year.

just stop....

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No way the Bills draft him

But the OP may not be far off if Baltimore passes on him. Maybe the Bears decide he is too good to pass up and want to trade back into the first and take him as competition for Fields.  Tampa can't be happy with their QB situation.  

It only takes one team to want him and be willing to give up a pick to move up and get him.  

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I would draft him then trade him to the Cowboys. 

 

Jerry Jones has always wanted to bring a hooker to dallas

[Kirby Jackson]

I do believe Hooker is in play at 27. I believe that the Bills would like to move out of that slot. They may try to go up if JSN or an OT slips. Otherwise, I would think that they would like to go back instead of reaching on a LB (for example). In order to go back, someone must want to come up. Hooker is the only logical target in that range. That’s 5th year option for a QB is so valuable.

[Simon Says]

5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

This year’s draft it reputed to be weak in general.  The Bills, like every other team, have holes to fill but impact at 27 seems unlikely  in 2023.  There truly is only one choice to gain real value if he falls to 27:

 

Hendon Hooker.

 

QBs have value 10x any other position.  Will the value we get from Hooker arrive in 2023?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

The top option would be to not actually select Hooker but trade the pick to move down a little and get additional picks in 2024 from which we might derive value.

 

Next choice is to play a game of chicken with teams that think they can trade up in the 28-31 range and get him.  Remember Miami cheated so only 31 first rounders.  If they won’t trade with us, simply draft Hooker and hold him hostage for a few hours or up to a year.

 

The least likely but still realistic option is to draft Hooker and entertain the possibility of developing him and getting a King’s ransom for Allen in 2-3 years.  I don’t love this as I am a big fan of Josh, but it’s a business.

 

If Hooker is there at 27 our pick simply has to involve him via trade, extortion or true selection.  There is no way to get that amount of value from anyone else.  Crappy receivers, decent receivers that may still be there in the 2nd, running back, OL who may end up being matched by another guy in the 3rd?  Absolutely no way.  GAIN value for the team.

 

If Hooker is gone, which he probably will be, then we can be pedestrian.  If not, be bold.

He is recovering from ACL surgery. Has zero value sitting on the bench in Buffalo. Bills have two young veteran QBS and don't  need him. Dont draft him in hopes of trading him because other teams would know he isn't playing for you so you have little trade leverage. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

 

If I wanted to create similarly irrelevant comparisons I could point out that Hooker and Herbert both start with H.  That would be equally dumb.
 

The point is this:

 

The point is- many are bringing up age as a con.  No one is bringing up H as a con.  So your comparison makes no sense.  
 

Back on topic-  I don’t think it’s a terrible idea.  I don’t think we will or should do this considering our current situation.  The window is now.  Another season without a SB could be the end of McB.  I don’t think that’ll be the case, but it’s possible.  So I don’t see why McB would do this, especially this offseason.  If we had won the SB last year, it makes a lot of sense.  
 

that said, I like Hooker and think he has a chance.  I agree that the Vikings and ravens are in play in rd 1

[1st&ten]

Interesting concept but I think it's too much of a gamble for the current state of the Bills franchise. As other posters have stated a trade option might be in play if we can get a good haul.

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If you're saying some QB needy team will make us a great offer for Pick 27, well, that would certainly be nice.

But its quite a different thing to say we should pick Hooker ourselves at 27, hoping that some other team will come out of the woodwork and all of a sudden offer great value for him. I would assume that if some other team really likes him, they'll be on the phone with Beane trying to make that trade for Pick 27.

 

The team may play a game of chicken hoping they can trade up to 28 instead of 27.  The Saints are a threat to take a QB.  Do you really think Beane is scared to play a game of chicken?  Do you really want a scaredy cat GM?

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, Draconator said:

 

[nosejob]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

If you're saying some QB needy team will make us a great offer for Pick 27, well, that would certainly be nice.

But its quite a different thing to say we should pick Hooker ourselves at 27, hoping that some other team will come out of the woodwork and all of a sudden offer great value for him. I would assume that if some other team really likes him, they'll be on the phone with Beane trying to make that trade for Pick 27.

 

How far down after 27 do you find a "needy" team?   Why wouldn't they stay put and trade up in the 2nd?...and I don't think because of the 5th yr. option is a worthy

argument.

 

[Southern_Bills]

7 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

It is obvious.  Get value.  Depending on which teams have already picked a QB, there will still be several teams interested in Hooker.  In addition to gaining capital, we may be able to prevent him going to NE or another AFC team.

 

If this is the case, you trade the pick to the interested team. You don't take the player and hope someone wants him.

 

You may be right that he has a first round market, I honestly don't see it but I'm flabbergasted by the interest in Richardson as a first round QB as well.

 

Trading down to let someone take him would be excellent, taking him and trading him later for future picks will set the team back for this year.

 

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

This year’s draft it reputed to be weak in general.  The Bills, like every other team, have holes to fill but impact at 27 seems unlikely  in 2023.  There truly is only one choice to gain real value if he falls to 27:

 

Hendon Hooker.

 

QBs have value 10x any other position.  Will the value we get from Hooker arrive in 2023?  Maybe, maybe not.

 

The top option would be to not actually select Hooker but trade the pick to move down a little and get additional picks in 2024 from which we might derive value.

 

Next choice is to play a game of chicken with teams that think they can trade up in the 28-31 range and get him.  Remember Miami cheated so only 31 first rounders.  If they won’t trade with us, simply draft Hooker and hold him hostage for a few hours or up to a year.

 

The least likely but still realistic option is to draft Hooker and entertain the possibility of developing him and getting a King’s ransom for Allen in 2-3 years.  I don’t love this as I am a big fan of Josh, but it’s a business.

 

If Hooker is there at 27 our pick simply has to involve him via trade, extortion or true selection.  There is no way to get that amount of value from anyone else.  Crappy receivers, decent receivers that may still be there in the 2nd, running back, OL who may end up being matched by another guy in the 3rd?  Absolutely no way.  GAIN value for the team.

 

If Hooker is gone, which he probably will be, then we can be pedestrian.  If not, be bold.

Hendon Hooker will help the bills as much as Jordan Love has helped the Packer so far. 

[Coach Tuesday]

“obvious yet unexpected” 🤣🤣