Cover 1 Just put out a new Mock Draft, Edge round 1.

[Bookie Man]

1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

2022 unanimous All American 1st team...2nd team in 2021...Captain...Academic All-Big Ten for three years...Butkus Award as top linebacker in the nation in 22, and semi-finalist in 2021...

 

The 7th best RAS athlete at LB in the history of recording RAS...By way of comparison...Tremaine Edmunds is an excellent athlete with an excellent RAS, and he's 88th in RAS all time...And Campbell is FAR more experienced at MLB coming in, and a much more instinctive player entering the NFL.

 

But sure...Not a 1st round talent...

I get it. Great teammate and production. Tested well. But I really don't see the instincts with him. And he struggles to shed blocks. Not a game changer. The Posluszny comp is real. I could be ok with him middle/late round two. 27 would be a major reach. 

[OldTimer1960]

6 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Will McDonald is a much better prospect then Campbell. Kid has massive potential can easily be double digit sack lineman in the NFL. He played 5tech in 3-4 defense and still has 34 sacks in his college career and that’s with him being massively undersized for the 5 tech position. Will Mc is at around 236lbs right now if he can get himself up to 255 by yr 2 he’s going to be an absolute stud. 
 

I don’t know why people lean to taking less talented players just because it’s a position of so called need. The difference makers in the NFL make the difference not your prototype players. Right now we are very short on difference making talent. I’ll take McDonald over Campbell any day and twice on Sundays. 

 

McDonald is fast, very undersized and a pretty old player to be a rookie. McDonald is one year younger than Tremaine Edmunds and Edmunds already has 5 years NFL experience.  That doesn’t disqualify McDonald or mean that he can’t be good, but factor in that he probably needs a year to learn a newish position and bulk up (then you don’t know for sure he won’t lose critical speed) and that he will be 29 when his rookie contract is up and I would be hesitant to do this.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

McDonald is fast, very undersized and a pretty old player to be a rookie. McDonald is one year younger than Tremaine Edmunds and Edmunds already has 5 years NFL experience.  That doesn’t disqualify McDonald or mean that he can’t be good, but factor in that he probably needs a year to learn a newish position and bulk up (then you don’t know for sure he won’t lose critical speed) and that he will be 29 when his rookie contract is up and I would be hesitant to do this.

 

It is a theme in this class. A lot of older prospects who have used their additional years of eligibility for covid etc to strike in a weaker class and probably get drafted a round earlier than they would otherwise have done. 

 

It is a good point you make on McDonald. Because he is a projection. He played 5 tech in college but he looks at his best in the rare spots where they let him line up at 7 or 9 and rush the passer off the edge. Projecting him to transition there full time if he is 21 is one thing. Doing it when he is 24 you would have to take pause and work through whether that is maximising your 1st round opportunity.

 

I do like the player but I have a mid 2nd on him and he is a trade down from #27 type target for me rather than a pick at that spot guy.

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

So I slammed them hard in live chat about going Edge in round 1 and ignoring ILB in early rounds. But... Listening to them talk about going Edge in round 1. They do make sense though I still disagree. I am hoping I am right about going Edge round 1 is a horrible decision but maybe someone here can prove me wrong?

 

here is the link.

 

 

 

It's neither right nor wrong till you know who they think will be available and who they would draft. 

 

Edge is a need. If there's a really good one there, it would be worth it. I'm not convinced a really good one will be there, but it's all about BPA at positions of need. Edge is a position of need.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Beane screwed us by drafting a smurf in the 3rd round last year and made it worse not signing a veteran to replace Edmunds. 

At this point there are too many holes to fill because he has missed on so many day 2 picks. 

Edge might be a bigger need than MLB. Dodson is probably better at MLB than Epenesa or Basham is at end.

If they went edge, and then 4 straight players on offense I would be ok with that. The secondary should be elite again. If they can add a legit pass rusher then they can survive with a below average MLB. 

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Yeah i get that, but some of us were talking about going edge since the combine…now all of a sudden the switch? Very convenient. 

 

 

It isn't a switch. I say that as a regular listener. Cover1 has been talking about DE and DT as legitimate possibilities since January.

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I agree, but somehow we have a huge hole in defense with 5 straight years of first round picks...🙄

 

MLB won't fix itself. I still hope for a OL player but value doesn't look great so IDK.

 

 

We don't have a huge hole in the defense except for one ... where we let one of those first round picks leave because he was so good he priced himself out of our salary cap range.

[Chaos]

12 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

I’m leaning LBer or DT.  After this season there’s not 1 DT under contract and the LBer room speaks for itself.  

After this season, we may be facing wholesale changes. Hyde, Poyer, Miller, Morse are all older beat up.  All of them could be gone. Tre White post injury was not good, without a return to form for White, and Hyde and Poyer aging, the secondary is a disaster.  Bills should use the first round pick on someone who can contribute in 2023 as well as in the future. Drafting a DT now who doesn't improve the position meaningfully in 2023, in order to fill a 2024 makes little sense to me.

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

McDonald is fast, very undersized and a pretty old player to be a rookie. McDonald is one year younger than Tremaine Edmunds and Edmunds already has 5 years NFL experience.  That doesn’t disqualify McDonald or mean that he can’t be good, but factor in that he probably needs a year to learn a newish position and bulk up (then you don’t know for sure he won’t lose critical speed) and that he will be 29 when his rookie contract is up and I would be hesitant to do this.

I don't want to draft McDonald, but teams should only count on the rookie contract.  In the case of Edmunds, we could not afford his peak years, after the rookie contract. With McDonald we would be getting his peak years for the entire rookie contract.  

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

After this season, we may be facing wholesale changes. Hyde, Poyer, Miller, Morse are all older beat up.  All of them could be gone. Tre White post injury was not good, without a return to form for White, and Hyde and Poyer aging, the secondary is a disaster.  Bills should use the first round pick on someone who can contribute in 2023 as well as in the future. Drafting a DT now who doesn't improve the position meaningfully in 2023, in order to fill a 2024 makes little sense to me.

I don't want to draft McDonald, but teams should only count on the rookie contract.  In the case of Edmunds, we could not afford his peak years, after the rookie contract. With McDonald we would be getting his peak years for the entire rookie contract.  

I would argue that his rookie year won’t be a peak year as he would be learning a new position and trying to put on enough muscle to get on the field.  If the Bills were a 3-4 base defense, it would be a similar issue with McDonald needing to learn how to play off ball and in coverage.  Add in that in both scenarios, you don’t know for sure how good he will be in new role and with more weight.

 

Regarding 2nd contracts, I think that depends on where a given team is.  If a team has a bonafide star QB taking up a huge chunk of the cap (or young QB about to be), it will be hard to sign anyone to a second contract.  On the flip side, if you have a a good young QB on a rookie deal or don’t have an answer at QB, then easier to sign 2nd contracts with your draftees.  

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's neither right nor wrong till you know who they think will be available and who they would draft. 

 

Edge is a need. If there's a really good one there, it would be worth it. I'm not convinced a really good one will be there, but it's all about BPA at positions of need/Value. Edge is a position of need.

bolded fixed it for ya. And I agree