Draft Busts 2023

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

Anthony Richardson wasn't good against above average teams at Florida. How is he going to be good in the NFL?

That’s not 100% correct. He had 453 passing against Tennessee, 3 tds and almost 300 yards against Utah, and almost 300 total yards against Georgia. Also if you liked at Allen’s college game logs, he was pretty terrible against the top teams they played. 
 

I think Allen is a complete unicorn. But given how many of these “safe” dudes bust, you could be better off just hoping for the next unicorn.  
 

This dude is going to be boom or busy, nothing in between. 

[boyst]

i don't pay enough attention to anyone but i think that drew sanders kid will be a bust.

 

watched his highlights and they were terrible.

[C.Biscuit97]

22 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Given New England's* track record of drafting WRs, this makes perfect sense:

 

 

I like Flowers. Boston College never has a good offense and no other threats. Their qb is meh. Dude is a baller and has a great attitude. 

[ExWNYer]

24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I like Flowers. Boston College never has a good offense and no other threats. Their qb is meh. Dude is a baller and has a great attitude. 

 

As with any prospect, time will tell. @GunnerBilllaid out for you why he thinks Flowers will be a bust.

[In Summary]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

9. Zay Flowers - he is too small. Too weak. Lacks length. He might be a serviceable slot and gimmick player somewhere for a few years. That's it.

Do you think the Bills like him?  

 

I don't have the prospect knowledge of you or others, but I generally wondered who was the biggest WR prospect capable of getting separation in the NFL?

[OldTimer1960]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

9. Zay Flowers - he is too small. Too weak. Lacks length. He might be a serviceable slot and gimmick player somewhere for a few years. That's it.

 

He is small.  Do you have the same concerns with Josh Downs and Tank Dell?  I am worried about their size as well.

[starrymessenger]

6 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

Disagree on CJ Stroud.

Quarterbacks are tough to evaluate, but he has shown the ability to make all the throws and has pretty good accuracy.  And I really like the situation he's likely going into with Carolina and Frank Reich.  I would take him before Bryce Young without question.

 

My biggest question with him, is that he's played with nothing but NFL-quality wide receivers.

With Carolina now first up I have to wonder whether Richardson and not Stroud is the target. Certainly Carolina would be a good landing spot for Richardson as far as his development is concerned.

[Yantha]

Bust predictions are fun....

 

1.  QB Will Levis (not even close to first round talent)

2. DT Kalijah Cancey (too small)

3.  DT Bryan Breese (too tall and lanky for DT)

4.  RT Dawand Jones (will be too slow at his size.  Will be nicknamed the human turnstile)

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He is small.  Do you have the same concerns with Josh Downs and Tank Dell?  I am worried about their size as well.

 

They are both small. But at least they don't have alligator arms. And Downs (albeit lighter) just seems to get bumped less on film. 

 

They were all in the 4.4s too. That disappointed me for Tank especially. I still have Zay and Josh as late 2s. Tank needed to run faster to be a 2 for me. I have ended up with a 3 on him.

[Lost]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

9. Zay Flowers - he is too small. Too weak. Lacks length. He might be a serviceable slot and gimmick player somewhere for a few years. That's it.

 

 

 

Is why I'm terrified the Bills will target him rd 1

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s not 100% correct. He had 453 passing against Tennessee, 3 tds and almost 300 yards against Utah, and almost 300 total yards against Georgia. Also if you liked at Allen’s college game logs, he was pretty terrible against the top teams they played. 
 

I think Allen is a complete unicorn. But given how many of these “safe” dudes bust, you could be better off just hoping for the next unicorn.  
 

This dude is going to be boom or busy, nothing in between. 

There is always an inbetween 

 

He’s going to have three or four solid seasons because he can run … Nobody is going to want to tackle him 

 

he will always struggle getting the ball out on time and precisely 

 

he’s a better runner and worse thrower than fields 

[MrEpsYtown]

I love Skornoski, but agree he is not a left tackle. If he went to play left tackle for a team with a great qb who gets it out quick, his PFF grade would be through the roof….  I think he is an all pro guard…and if he moved to center he would be the best center in the league…even better than Humprey. Gasp….

 

But he is polished, super smart, great athlete and body, bloodlines, and just 21 years old. He will make it. 

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They are both small. But at least they don't have alligator arms. And Downs (albeit lighter) just seems to get bumped less on film. 

 

They were all in the 4.4s too. That disappointed me for Tank especially. I still have Zay and Josh as late 2s. Tank needed to run faster to be a 2 for me. I have ended up with a 3 on him.

Thanks.  What do you think of a later pick who is much bigger for a slot in Parker Washington?  He is interesting to me maybe late 3rd or maybe 4th?  He just looks like an athlete to me, though not as fast or quick, but can probably block at a pretty high level from the slot.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

Thanks.  What do you think of a later pick who is much bigger for a slot in Parker Washington?  He is interesting to me maybe late 3rd or maybe 4th?  He just looks like an athlete to me, though not as fast or quick, but can probably block at a pretty high level from the slot.

 

3rd would be too early for my tastes. I have a 5th on him but late 4th I suppose from a value standpoint I'd not hate it. Where I would struggle is I don't know what he does better than Shakir other than block. And while I like receivers who can block I am not sure I like drafting them for their blocking if that makes sense?

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

3rd would be too early for my tastes. I have a 5th on him but late 4th I suppose from a value standpoint I'd not hate it. Where I would struggle is I don't know what he does better than Shakir other than block. And while I like receivers who can block I am not sure I like drafting them for their blocking if that makes sense?

Excellent point, in the draft fervor, I forgot that any slot receiver would have to have a higher upside than Shakir/Harty.  For that reason, I don’t see WR as much option in round 1 unless Johnston is there and I’m not crazy about him.

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s not 100% correct. He had 453 passing against Tennessee, 3 tds and almost 300 yards against Utah, and almost 300 total yards against Georgia. Also if you liked at Allen’s college game logs, he was pretty terrible against the top teams they played. 
 

I think Allen is a complete unicorn. But given how many of these “safe” dudes bust, you could be better off just hoping for the next unicorn.  
 

This dude is going to be boom or busy, nothing in between. 

I mean, he was the lowest rated passer in the entire conference with at least 200 attempts. Tennessee was one of the worst defenses in the SEC. He had over 40 attempts that game. Utah, he had 170 yards passing. Georgia was mop up duty as he got mopped up. Watching him, it was just a guy running around and playing outside of the playbook. Josh really is a unicorn when it comes to hit rate of this type of profile and he wasn't playing for the Florida Gators. I just don't get it. I understand how physically talented he is but that's all he is. Throw Levis in the same discussion. Kentucky was a power run team. Levis was a decent college QB, but that's all. How desperate has this become? I just don't think in past years these players would be slotted like this. 

[ProcessTruster]

i don't follow this draft stuff very closely, but the general feel in the media seems to be this is a relatively poor draft class in general . 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

i don't follow this draft stuff very closely, but the general feel in the media seems to be this is a relatively poor draft class in general . 

 

It is. I have some re-checks to do (and I have not done my deep dives on the QBs yet hence I have stayed a little out of the fray on those) but I counted up my grades the other day.... 12 1sts, 4 borderline 1st/2nds, 15 guys with mid to high 2nd round grades. Ironically that adds up to 31 which is the number of 1st round picks there are this year. And while it sort of evens out by round 4 and 5 there are fewer 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders on my board than in any of the previous 9 years I have been doing this.

[MJS]

17 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Whoever Beane picks

 

- Thad Brown, probably 

And half of TBD.

[Jauronimo]

20 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dareus was a beast when he wanted to be.  Shame what happened to him. He could still be in the league if he wanted to be.

 

and Richardson was the type of qb prospect I hated in the first round. But after Allen, if he goes to the right team and situation, who knows now? 
 

and I hate Wil Levis. I think he sucks and he’s older too. Don’t get the hype. 

But isn’t that what people were saying about Allen? Shoot, I said that. 

The success of Josh Allen is going to inspire dozens of horrible draft picks and I love it.