TSW Mock Draft 1.0 - Completed!!!

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

What is AJ's top tier trait?

 

His physical skills at the catch point. Throw it in his general direction and he'll come down with it even if covered. He gets open with good route running but also with great size and strength.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but Addison isn't great at the catch point, he isn't strong, he isn't fast. I just don't see any upside there. I guess in a weak draft I'd be okay with it since we're likely to take a 2nd round graded player at pick 28 anyways. I'd just feel a little underwhelmed.

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

His physical skills at the catch point. Throw it in his general direction and he'll come down with it even if covered. He gets open with good route running but also with great size and strength.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but Addison isn't great at the catch point, he isn't strong, he isn't fast. I just don't see any upside there. I guess in a weak draft I'd be okay with it since we're likely to take a 2nd round graded player at pick 28 anyways. I'd just feel a little underwhelmed.

 

Addison isn't AJ. No doubt there. But this isn't the 2019 draft. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't like his ceiling. Physical traits are very much on the charts, somewhere near the bottom to be more specific. Good route running to me is not enough to be worthy of a 1st round pick.

 

What upside are we getting here? I guess you're hoping he becomes a smaller and slower version of Stefon Diggs if he hits his ceiling. Meh.

 

 

Exactly

 

https://ras.football/2020/01/20/stefon-diggs-ras/

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

Exactly

 

https://ras.football/2020/01/20/stefon-diggs-ras/

And Diggs was a 5th rnd pick. Why would we spend a 1st on Addison?? Just not a wise choice.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

And Diggs was a 5th rnd pick. Why would we spend a 1st on Addison?? Just not a wise choice.

 

Because had Diggs been healthy he wouldn't have been a 5th rounder. And second because this is a weak draft. I would have been dead against Addison in the 1st last year. But it is just a rubbish class.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't like his ceiling. Physical traits are very much on the charts, somewhere near the bottom to be more specific. Good route running to me is not enough to be worthy of a 1st round pick.

 

What upside are we getting here? I guess you're hoping he becomes a smaller and slower version of Stefon Diggs if he hits his ceiling. Meh.

 

https://ras.football/2020/01/20/stefon-diggs-ras/?amp
 

that’s what they said about Diggs too

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Just now, LyndonvilleBill said:

And Diggs was a 5th rnd pick. Why would we spend a 1st on Addison?? Just not a wise choice.

 

I think his floor is solid WR2 and ceiling is low end WR1, kind of a WR1B. Knows how to run a full route tree and is a technician. Production. Quick, good accelerator and separator. YAC. Can play inside and outside. Can beat you short or deep. Smart football player. I'd be very happy with him at 27.

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

And Diggs was a 5th rnd pick. Why would we spend a 1st on Addison?? Just not a wise choice.

You’re saying that Diggs isn’t worth a 1st round pick because he was drafted in round 5?  In a redraft, he’d be a top 10 from that class.  If not, top 5

[Virgil]

The Buffalo Bills select Jordan Addison, WR, USC

 

The Broncos @Motorin'are on the clock

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure but most of the top receivers in football all have top tier physical traits.

 

Justin Jefferson

AJ Brown

Tyreek Hill

Ja'Marr Chase

DeAndre Hopkins

 

The exceptions are Stefon Diggs, Devante Adams, Cooper Kupp. But none of those guys were drafted in the 1st round. IMO route running specialists should be taken on day two and three. Just a personal preference.

You know that JJs best trait coming out of college was his route running right? Lol. Eagles took Jalen Reager ahead of him Because he was considered the more explosive athlete

 

AJB was a second rounder

Tyreek was a fifth

Hopkins was a late first in the worst draft of this century

Chase had it all tho

There is actually a negative correlation between speed and productivity at the WR position 

 

“Some more coorellations: -0 .38 between a players combine or pro day 40 time and his yards per catch in the NFL.”

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2023/insider/story/_/id/35981045/2023-nfl-draft-how-top-receivers-dominate-stats-matter-flowers-smith-njigba-addison-johnston-hyatt

 

IMO Addison is WR2 in the class. You would like him to be bigger but aside from that I think he is a great option at 27 if we go the WR route. Good football player who will be productive right away. Was productive early in college, was productive in two different schemes, in two different positions, in two different colleges. That is hard to do.

[LyndonvilleBill]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because had Diggs been healthy he wouldn't have been a 5th rounder. And second because this is a weak draft. I would have been dead against Addison in the 1st last year. But it is just a rubbish class.

Do you think Diggs would have went in the 1st if healthy? I get it people want offense and weapons for Josh, but I don't think just because some think he is rated as one of the better receivers in this draft we should lower our standards for the position. If he wasn't worth a 1st last year, he shouldn't be worth a 1st this year. All my opinion of course and majority wins. I hope the Bills don't really take him at 27, but I will support and cheer for any player we take.

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’re saying that Diggs isn’t worth a 1st round pick because he was drafted in round 5?  In a redraft, he’d be a top 10 from that class.  If not, top 5

No. At the time he was drafted he was not a 1st rnd pick and wasn'tseen as one. Are you saying that Addison is going to be as good as Diggs?

[Sherlock Holmes]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because had Diggs been healthy he wouldn't have been a 5th rounder. And second because this is a weak draft. I would have been dead against Addison in the 1st last year. But it is just a rubbish class.

So take Campbell or Sanders

[Motorin']

The Raiders are now on the clock at 28. They also receive picks 108 & 195.

 

The Broncos receive 38, 70 & 220. 

 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Do you think Diggs would have went in the 1st if healthy? I get it people want offense and weapons for Josh, but I don't think just because some think he is rated as one of the better receivers in this draft we should lower our standards for the position. If he wasn't worth a 1st last year, he shouldn't be worth a 1st this year. All my opinion of course and majority wins. I hope the Bills don't really take him at 27, but I will support and cheer for any player we take.

No. At the time he was drafted he was not a 1st rnd pick and wasn'tseen as one. Are you saying that Addison is going to be as good as Diggs?

Right….and addison IS currently seen as a 1st round pick….if not early 2nd round pick.
 

Im not saying anything about the future.  I’m saying that I think, in THIS draft class, he should be a first round pick.  I’m saying that I think he’d be a great pick and fit for us.  I think he’s a much better all around WR than Gabe Davis and would start over himright now.  I don’t think there’s any other WR in the class that would for sure start over Gabe other than maybe JSN…. But he’s best inside. 

[whorlnut]

8 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Do you think Diggs would have went in the 1st if healthy? I get it people want offense and weapons for Josh, but I don't think just because some think he is rated as one of the better receivers in this draft we should lower our standards for the position. If he wasn't worth a 1st last year, he shouldn't be worth a 1st this year. All my opinion of course and majority wins. I hope the Bills don't really take him at 27, but I will support and cheer for any player we take.

No. At the time he was drafted he was not a 1st rnd pick and wasn'tseen as one. Are you saying that Addison is going to be as good as Diggs?

You sound like someone who is bitter because your choice didn’t win the poll. It’s very childish. I just don’t know why anyone would want a LB that has a second round grade.
 

We need weapons for Allen. Both he and Diggs were pissed at the end of the year and were very vocal about wanting more help. And before you throw back with the FA signings, please remember that they are cheap,one year deals and don’t provide any long term stability at the position. 

[HappyDays]

Trade! The Raiders have received pick 28 from the Broncos.

 

Raiders get:

Pick 28 (660 points)

Pick 108 (78 points)

Pick 195 (11.8 points)

=749.8 points

 

Broncos get:

Pick 38 (520 points)

Pick 70 (240 points)

Pick 220 (1.7 points)

=761.7 points

 

With the 28th selection, the Raiders select Hendon Hooker, QB, Tennessee.

 

This trade was a doozy. I first made an offer to the Bengals, right before they traded the pick to the Ravens. I then made an offer to the Ravens, right before they traded the pick to the Broncos. The Broncos initially declined the trade which led to me making an offer to the Bills at pick 27 but they too declined. Luckily the Broncos reconsidered at the last second and here we are.

 

Yes we signed Jimmy Garrappolo but everybody knows what he is in this league - a stopgap. A 7th round rookie outplayed him in San Francisco. We aren't tying the future of this organization to him, not in a year where everyone feels like they are on the hot seat and we have to compete with Mahomes and Herbert.

 

We made the trade to jump ahead of the Saints in case they were thinking about drafting their QB of the future. Hooker has all the traits that Josh McDaniels looks for - rhythm passing, pocket passer size, good in the quick passing game. We feel good with Garrappolo as the presumed starter but Hooker ready to go in if things start to fall apart. Even if the beginning of the season goes south, if Hooker comes in late and wins some games it might buy this regime another year.

 

The Saints @frostbitmic are on the clock.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

You sound like someone who is bitter because your choice didn’t win the poll. It’s very childish. I just don’t know why anyone would want a LB that has a second round grade.
 

We need weapons for Allen. Both he and Diggs were pissed at the end of the year and were very vocal about wanting more help. And before you throw back with the FA signings, please remember that they are cheap,one year deals and don’t provide any long term stability at the position. 

 

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Trade! The Raiders have received pick 28 from the Broncos.

 

Raiders get:

Pick 28 (660 points)

Pick 108 (78 points)

Pick 195 (11.8 points)

=749.8 points

 

Broncos get:

Pick 38 (520 points)

Pick 70 (240 points)

Pick 220 (1.7 points)

=761.7 points

 

With the 28th selection, the Raiders select Hendon Hooker, QB, Tennessee.

 

This trade was a doozy. I first made an offer to the Bengals, right before they traded the pick to the Ravens. I then made an offer to the Ravens, right before they traded the pick to the Broncos. The Broncos initially declined the trade which led to me making an offer to the Bills at pick 27 but they too declined. Luckily the Broncos reconsidered at the last second and here we are.

 

Yes we signed Jimmy Garrappolo but everybody knows what he is in this league - a stopgap. A 7th round rookie outplayed him in San Francisco. We aren't tying the future of this organization to him, not in a year where everyone feels like they are on the hot seat and we have to compete with Mahomes and Herbert.

 

We made the trade to jump ahead of the Saints in case they were thinking about drafting their QB of the future. Hooker has all the traits that Josh McDaniels looks for - rhythm passing, pocket passer size, good in the quick passing game. We feel good with Garrappolo as the presumed starter but Hooker ready to go in if things start to fall apart. Even if the beginning of the season goes south, if Hooker comes in late and wins some games it might buy this regime another year.

 

The Saints @frostbitmic are on the clock.

Purdy is most likely gonna be the 2nd best QB after Josh...he hasn't even lost yet and isn't planning on starting.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

So take Campbell or Sanders

Take a MLB…..with a 2nd rd grade with a 1st rd pick….. over a WR or a OT.  Just no.  
 

but we probably will and then we can run Gabe Davis out there at WR2 and Spencer Brown at RT and score 10 points in the AFCCG again.  Our OL sucked.  Our WRs outside of Diggs sucked.  We have Josh Allen….. give him SOMETHING

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Take a MLB…..with a 2nd rd grade with a 1st rd pick….. over a WR or a OT.  Just no.  
 

but we probably will and then we can run Gabe Davis out there at WR2 and Spencer Brown at RT and score 10 points in the AFCCG again.  Our OL sucked.  Our WRs outside of Diggs sucked.  We have Josh Allen….. give him SOMETHING

That's why you trade with the Raiders for the best slot receiver in the game and the tied for first DE...

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

You sound like someone who is bitter because your choice didn’t win the poll. It’s very childish. I just don’t know why anyone would want a LB that has a second round grade.
 

We need weapons for Allen. Both he and Diggs were pissed at the end of the year and were very vocal about wanting more help. And before you throw back with the FA signings, please remember that they are cheap,one year deals and don’t provide any long term stability at the position. 

LOL. I'm not bitter. Who one the pole is fine with me. I'm  actually good and I changed my vote to trading back.😁. I am not like some that stomp and cry if I don't get what I want. Too old and not worth the energy. I like the conversations and differing opinions. Some I agree with, some I don't. It's almost like a debate and you can learn a lot that way. I actually agree that we need to support Josh with what he needs. We just differ on what we think he needs.