NFL draft rumors 2023

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And this is a very reasonable post. I'm not super high on Torrence as a 1st rounder - period - even in a class like this one. I also agree with you he isn't a fit for what the Bills have tended towards in their oline build, but they have flip flopped a bit on that. He is similar to Quinton Spain who they signed, then extended and paid, then benched, then cut. So it is hard to be too definitive on their type. 

 

I do think you might be onto something with the RAS stuff at oline too. It might be one area of the field where the tape matters more than the athletic profile and it might be time for them to just select good footballer players rather than looking for a high RAS guy. That said, think Ford was a low RAS guy in round two and that was a disaster, so it cuts both ways. 

 

50 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

For me it is a mix of both in that I don't love the player and don't think is a fit. To me Torrence is a late second/third round prospect.   

 

Overall, I think he is going to struggle in the NFL. He got away with some sloppy technique and kind of like Josh does for our guys, Anthony Richardson made him right a lot of the time. Can he get better? Sure. But the lack of a strong athletic profile makes that less likely. I would much rather have a Steve Avila or Tyler Steen or even a Chandler Zavala later because they have that mauling style with athletic upside.  

 

However, I think you make an excellent point about plugging a mauler in the middle of that super athletic offensive line to give it a different flavor and style. A square peg in a round hole can sometimes be a really good thing. My argument is that you can get that later in the draft.  

Gentlemen, I just want to thank you for the well stated replies and excellent points you bring to the table. Not just on this subject...but everyday. I believe my biggest weakness when it comes to seeing players is I'm more of an "old hat" what does the film say guy. Never have gotten into the metrics and how they play in and I suspect I never really will. So it's great to have access to people that can and do take the other side of the isle and can raise points I wouldn't normally consider. Like I tell my kids...every opportunity is a learning opportunity.

 

I still would be thrilled with Torrence at 27 because of the game footage. He can play. But, I'll also concede that it may be risky and there may be guys that bring what he does to the table a bit later. I have seen some Steen and like him as well. 

 

I see the Spain comparison as well. I think that's actually pretty accurate. And this is what's been odd about the offensive build for the Bills under McDermott and Beane to me. It's like they want to "build a bully" and dip their toes in every once in a while...then get scared to commit and go back to modern offensive thinking. Not only with the OL but kind of all over the board with RBs too. Bringing in Ivory, Tolbert, Gore type power runners...then walking it back with guys like Hines, Cook and Singletary. They have waffled back and forth so long that we really don't have any identity on O other than Josh Allen and Diggs. 

[whorlnut]

11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I don't think the Bills are moving up.  Lack of draft capital....they need to add all the bodies they can as they approach cap crunch coming next year.

You understand that they can move up and then trade down in 2 or 3 and recoup picks, right?  They can also trade a future pick or player. 

[SCBills]

Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27.

 

I'm sure that would go over well here ha..

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27.

 

I'm sure that would go over well here ha..

Man, fella just can't get over the bad at football thing.

[TOboy]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27.

 

I'm sure that would go over well here ha..

About as well as Leaf went over in SD

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27.

 

I'm sure that would go over well here ha..

I actually like Ryan Leaf. Guy has really matured and come into his own after his NFL career sputtered. Tons of respect for the guy for the way he turned his life around and became a better person.

 

That said a one eyed grasshopper in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean standing on a piece of driftwood would make a better pick than this.

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I actually like Ryan Leaf. Guy has really matured and come into his own after his NFL career sputtered. Tons of respect for the guy for the way he turned his life around and became a better person.

 

That said a one eyed grasshopper in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean standing on a piece of driftwood would make a better pick than this.

I like him, too, but that is an awful pick.

[Ben]

Henley at 59 wouldn't be too bad

[MrEpsYtown]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27.

 

I'm sure that would go over well here ha..

 

[thenorthremembers]

27 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Have GMFB on at that office and Ryan Leaf's projection has the Bills taking Daiyan Henley at 27.

 

I'm sure that would go over well here ha..

Henley is from Leaf's alma mater.  Probably just a homer pick.

[Warriorspikes51]

FWIW  Sal just mentioned Zay Flowers WR coach at BC was also Gabe's WR coach at UCF

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

FWIW  Sal just mentioned Zay Flowers WR coach at BC was also Gabe's WR coach at UCF

Yes and his head coach was Jalin Hyatt and Cedric Tillman HC

[HappyDays]

 

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Can't say I'm surprised on the Kincaid thing. To me he is the clear # 1 TE in this draft. I don't believe he makes it to either the Cowboys or Bills but man i'd love to get my hands on the guy. QB's always rise so the Hooker thing doesn't surprise me. He also has supposedly been a fan favorite of teams in interviews with his ability to process and how he answers leadership questions. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

@4merper4mer got a lot of grief for suggesting this fella was a late first round pick. Well, partly that, but more that the Bills should take him to trade him. That's too risky for my taste. Once you select him, teams will low ball on the return knowing you don't want to keep him. But looks like he may be vindicated on the value.

[LEBills]

This update from walterfootball is about the Bills:

 

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday
 

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Sources say the Buffalo Bills could attack their offensive line and defensive line in the early rounds of the 2023 NFL Draft. Buffalo feels it needs to get bigger and stronger up front on both sides of the ball. Hence in the first round, the team could give consideration to players like Florida guard O'Cyrus Torrence and Oklahoma's Anton Harrison. Tennessee right tackle Darnell Wright probably won't get close to the pick, but the Bills would love it if he was an option at No. 27. 

Some large defensive linemen who could interest Buffalo in the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft could include Michigan's Mazi Smith and Clemson's Bryan Bresee. Sources say that Pittsburgh's Calijah Kancey is not a fit because he is too similar to Ed Oliver as an undersized fast defender. 

If the Bills were to take an offensive lineman on Thursday night, they could look to the defensive line on Day 2. Smith might slide, and other options for Buffalo could include Florida defensive tackle Gervon Dexter and Baylor's Siaki Ika. 

Wide receiver is a dark-horse for Buffalo in the early rounds as well, but sources say the organization would like to come out of the 2023 NFL Draft with bigger, tougher linemen on both sides of the ball. 
 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

11 minutes ago, LEBills said:

This update from walterfootball is about the Bills:

 

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday
 

 

The grass is green

[MrEpsYtown]

Not a draft rumor but the Commanders rejected Chase Young fifth year option. Didn’t feel like starting a new thread. Is he broken?

[Dr. Who]

6 minutes ago, LEBills said:

This update from walterfootball is about the Bills:

 

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2023-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday
 

 

Campbell has been mocking Torrence to the Bills. (Then two DTs back to back.) Bad pick and not a good sequence, imo. He didn't have the Bills take any skill position players, so I find that unlikely and not smart. But the view that the Bills are soft and need toughness on both sides of the trenches is something some ex-player pundits were talking about on ESPN the other day, so maybe there is something to it. Bresee, Bergeron, Hopkins for 91 could work.

 

(It would have to be Mazi Smith or Myles Murphy according to your model, LE, but I prefer Bresee so plugged him into the speculation.)

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Campbell has been mocking Torrence to the Bills. (Then two DTs back to back.) Bad pick and not a good sequence, imo. He didn't have the Bills take any skill position players, so I find that unlikely and not smart. But the view that the Bills are soft and need toughness on both sides of the trenches is something some ex-player pundits were talking about on ESPN the other day, so maybe there is something to it. Bresee, Bergeron, Hopkins for 91 could work.

 

(It would have to be Mazi Smith or Myles Murphy according to your model, LE, but I prefer Bresee so plugged him into the speculation.)

Yea I post because it’s Bills related but don’t think Walterfootball is too connected to the Bills. I would be shocked if we drafted Torrence even in the second round.

 

Bresee is kind of a boarderline guy, the only thing that held him back was the medicals. But the Bills have more info than I have and if they find him to have a clear bill of health then he would qualify right along with Mazi Smith as a top option in line with the Bills draft tendencies.