NFL draft rumors 2023

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, mannc said:

Scouts and GMs badmouth every draft class…if the class sucks, then they can’t be blamed for coming away with mediocre players.  

 

To an extent, sure. But I think this class is different. I think it just legitimately isn't very good. That doesn't mean there won't be any good players from it, of course there will. They will be fewer than most other years. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To an extent, sure. But I think this class is different. I think it just legitimately isn't very good. That doesn't mean there won't be any good players from it, of course there will. They will be fewer than most other years. 

I dunno…it seems like a pretty weak class at WR and IDL, but quite strong and deep at CB, Edge and TE…average at O-line and pretty decent at QB. Not seeing how it’s so awful.  Seems at least as good as last year.

Edited April 25, 2023 by mannc

[CaptnCoke11]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

I dunno…it seems like a pretty week class at WR and IDL, but quite strong and deep at CB, Edge and TE…average at O-line and pretty decent at QB. Not seeing how it’s so awful.  Seems at least as good as last year.

I think it’s more of the top tier talent that’s being talked about as being poor.  Which i agree with.  I wouldn’t want to be picking in the top 10

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

I think it’s more of the top tier talent that’s being talked about as being poor.  Which i agree with.  I wouldn’t want to be picking in the top 10

Well there certainly doesn’t seem to be a consensus on the top picks, but I’m not sure it’s poor.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

I dunno…it seems like a pretty week class at WR and IDL, but quite strong and deep at CB, Edge and TE…average at O-line and pretty decent at QB. Not seeing how it’s so awful.  Seems at least as good as last year.

 

Corner and Tight End are the two spots where I think it genuinely, through rounds 1-3, has good depth. But that is like 6 or 7 tight ends... it is better than a normal top end tight end class but that is a low numbers position. I think it is slightly above average at Edge, and it has good round 3/4 type depth at IOL. But it is weak at tackle, weak at IDL, weak at linebacker, weaker than most recent drafts at receiver... and it is just generally lacking blue chippers. 

 

Because round 1 is weak you are going to have lost half your round 2 board by the end of round 1. And at least a third of your round 3 board by the end of round 2. And to your point yesterday..... while I have never had more than 32 'round' or 'tier' or 'cluster' 1 grades.... I have had more than 32 'round' or 'tier' or 'cluster' 2 grades multiple times. I do this year too (just). I have 34. 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

In fairness to him he got Neal - Giants too although at the wrong spot. 

Okay.  Two.  Still pretty poor for an expert who claims to be plugged in across the league.  I guess he's plugged into New Jersey.

[HappyDays]

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For a lot of the leadup to the 2023 NFL Draft, the consensus top offensive line prospect was Northwestern's Peter Skoronski. Skoronski, however, has been recently overtaken in the process by Ohio State's Paris Johnson. Johnson has a better skill set alongside more length, which in combination project him to being a prototypical left tackle. Skoronski has slid somewhat since the coaches have gotten involved in the 2023 NFL Draft process. Sources from multiple teams said the coaches lowered Skoronski on their team draft boards because they project him to playing guard only. Some scouts felt Skoronski could remain at tackle, but many coaches did not see things that way because of his short arms and lack of length. Hence, Skoronski had a late-in-the-process slide. That being said, teams feel Skoronski should a very safe pick to become a good pro starter. They think he could start for 10 years and be rock solid in both phases. While he is not considered sexy, sources across the league feel that Skoronski is simply a good football player.

 

In the last week, some media like NBC's Peter King have projected the New York Giants to take a tight end in the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft. Even though the Giants traded for a dynamic mismatch weapon in Darren Waller, these media members project them to add to the position. In speaking to sources with the Giants, they view that as very unlikely. Picking late in the first round makes it harder to project who will be available, but Giants sources don't think the 2023 NFL Draft will likely play out in such a way that selecting a tight end will be the franchise's best option at pick No. 25. It sounds more likely that top candidates for the Giants include USC wide receiver Jordan Addison, Boston College wide receiver Zay Flowers, and TCU wide receiver Quentin Johnston. Iowa linebacker Jack Campbell is a darkhorse candidate for the Giants if there is a run on receivers so there are not good wideout options available.

 

Early in the 2023 NFL Draft process, sources with Tampa Bay really liked Notre Dame tight end Michael Mayer and Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson. Bucs evaluators felt that Mayer was just a good football player and felt the concerns of other scouts about his skill set as something lacking was overthinking. They also placed a good amount a lot of Richardson's shortcomings on the Florida coaching staff, saying that the new Gators staff did not know how to use Richardson well and did not do a good job of developing his incredible talent. The Bucs probably won't select Mayer in the 2023 NFL Draft because of other needs, and Richardson most likely won't make it to them at pick No. 19. Richardson might intrigue Tampa Bay, but the team may not be willing to give up a package of picks to move up for him.

 

In every NFL draft, some veteran players are shopped around and teams are making calls trying to acquire a veteran. One player to watch this year is Lions running back D'Andre Swift. Teams have been calling Detroit to see if Swift is available after the franchise signed David Montgomery in free agency. Swift has played really well for Detroit when on the field, but has had a hard time staying healthy. Swift is in the last year of his contract, so teams probably won't be willing to give up anything more than a mid-round pick. Swift will be an interesting player to monitor because some teams are interested in making a deal for the fourth-year pro.

 

[GunnerBill]

I have been calling Swift out in Detroit for weeks. That is a Bijan landing spot if he gets to #18. 

 

@Solomon Grundy

[dave mcbride]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Corner and Tight End are the two spots where I think it genuinely, through rounds 1-3, has good depth. But that is like 6 or 7 tight ends... it is better than a normal top end tight end class but that is a low numbers position. I think it is slightly above average at Edge, and it has good round 3/4 type depth at IOL. But it is weak at tackle, weak at IDL, weak at linebacker, weaker than most recent drafts at receiver... and it is just generally lacking blue chippers. 

 

Because round 1 is weak you are going to have lost half your round 2 board by the end of round 1. And at least a third of your round 3 board by the end of round 2. And to your point yesterday..... while I have never had more than 32 'round' or 'tier' or 'cluster' 1 grades.... I have had more than 32 'round' or 'tier' or 'cluster' 2 grades multiple times. I do this year too (just). I have 34. 

Most importantly, the QBs are nothing to write home about, right? None of those guys really impress me.

Edited April 25, 2023 by dave mcbride

[Dr. Who]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Have you looked at Campbell's most recent mock? Don't like it. O'Cyrus Torrence G, Gervon Dexter DT, Zacch Pickens DT, Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson CB, Ryan Hayes OT, Ivan Pace, Jr LB

 

Torrence is not a fit for Kromer and Campbell admits Torrence is a sloppy body type, then two DTs and a CB. No WR or TE, not one offensive weapon.

[CaptnCoke11]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Have you looked at Campbell's most recent mock? Don't like it. O'Cyrus Torrence G, Gervon Dexter DT, Zacch Pickens DT, Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson CB, Ryan Hayes OT, Ivan Pace, Jr LB

 

Torrence is not a fit for Kromer and Campbell admits Torrence is a sloppy body type, then two DTs and a CB. No WR or TE, not one offensive weapon.

If they can’t make a talent like Torrence fit then they need to find new coaches.  

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

If they can’t make a talent like Torrence fit then they need to find new coaches.  

He might be the pick. The folks I trust on this board are not high on him. In general, I am for upgrading the oline, so naturally I hope it works out well if that is how the draft unfolds. My critique of Campbell's mock involves the various choices as a whole. I can see DT early, but not back-to-back. This is a draft with superior TE talent and the Bills have had a few in for visits, so I think it disappointing he has no TEs or WRs among our selections.

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I’ve been calling the Skoronski guard talk for awhile. He’s going to struggle at Tackle. Teams will start him there and be forced to kick him inside. If your looking for a tackle Darnell Wright us a better option 

[Westside]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Corner and Tight End are the two spots where I think it genuinely, through rounds 1-3, has good depth. But that is like 6 or 7 tight ends... it is better than a normal top end tight end class but that is a low numbers position. I think it is slightly above average at Edge, and it has good round 3/4 type depth at IOL. But it is weak at tackle, weak at IDL, weak at linebacker, weaker than most recent drafts at receiver... and it is just generally lacking blue chippers. 

 

Because round 1 is weak you are going to have lost half your round 2 board by the end of round 1. And at least a third of your round 3 board by the end of round 2. And to your point yesterday..... while I have never had more than 32 'round' or 'tier' or 'cluster' 1 grades.... I have had more than 32 'round' or 'tier' or 'cluster' 2 grades multiple times. I do this year too (just). I have 34. 

I love reading your draft posts, keep up the great work! It is certainly appreciated. 👍

[Warriorspikes51]

A CBS Sports Mock has us moving up to Ravens pick, mentions the Bills put the word out they are looking to move up.

[TOboy]

21 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

A CBS Sports Mock has us moving up to Ravens pick, mentions the Bills put the word out they are looking to move up.

Seems Addison is the name we’re most frequently tied to now. 
 

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, TOboy said:

Seems Addison is the name we’re most frequently tied to now. 
 

 

ESPN had the mock draft where the team reporters make the pick tonight. Addison was our pick at 27.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, TOboy said:

Seems Addison is the name we’re most frequently tied to now. 
 

 

agree, though in the CBS one it was QJ

[TOboy]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

agree, though in the CBS one it was QJ

I’m good with any of Addison, QJ, or Flowers. They’re all a little different but bring potential to really open up the offense. 

[Richard Noggin]

16 hours ago, mannc said:

That wasn't my question.  Why is JSN to the Bills “insane”?

 

No way he slides to 27 (IMHO). Unless the pre-draft process uncovered some unreported medical concerns, he's one of the first WRs off the board.