NFL draft rumors 2023

[MrEpsYtown]

Watching McDermott’s presser, when he describes what he is looking for in a mike, he described all the characteristics that Jack Campbell has. And Campbell is probably one of the only guys in the draft with those traits. He even made a mini joke about football instincts.
 

Then he was asked about Campbell training with Kuechly and he smirked with a 💩 eating grin and said he hasn’t spoken to Luke. So either McDermott has suddenly become an amazing actor or he really likes Campbell. 
 

Now I am not necessarily saying they will target him in the first round or whatever. I just don’t see any scenario in which they don’t love that guy. He is exactly what they want, a guy who is in the right place, who gets everyone lined up, wears the dot, is a leader on the defense and communicates. Just my 2 cents. Not an actual rumor. 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

If he were on the Bills now, having been aquired by a trade up, was injured and didn't play much, and now the 6 game suspension.....would you trade him away?  I doubt it.

 

 

I hadn't considered it...........but the Bills would not if they thought it was just a dumb mistake and not a result of a potential gambling problem. 

 

The Lions might.   They traded TJ Hockenson which made even less sense.

 

The Bills did have a star receiving back in the 1980's........Ronnie Harmon........who had been accused of throwing a Rose Bowl game with 4 fumbles............and then later had a pass go thru his hands at the end of the 1989 wildcard game in Cleveland which cost the super-talented Bills a victory..........and he was dropped like a bad habit weeks later with zero compensation.   Harmon went on to catch nearly 400 more passes  for San Diego with a remarkable 10+ yards per catch average but nobody in Buffalo ever lamented his loss for one second.    Players who are a gambling risk are pretty worthless regardless of talent.

 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-06-29-sp-25-story.html

Edited April 23, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[jahnyc]

If the Bills are looking to fill immediate needs and imminent needs (i.e., 2024 needs), I think the top three picks will be some combination of ILB, DT and OT.  We have a current hole at ILB, no DTs signed for 2024 (and I doubt we re-sign Oliver), and we need a swing OT (plus we need better overall play at OT and both Dawkins and Brown are free agents after 2024).  We do need to upgrade at WR, so that of course may be a top three pick, but I believe the current needs are greater at these other positions.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Watching McDermott’s presser, when he describes what he is looking for in a mike, he described all the characteristics that Jack Campbell has. And Campbell is probably one of the only guys in the draft with those traits. He even made a mini joke about football instincts.
 

Then he was asked about Campbell training with Kuechly and he smirked with a 💩 eating grin and said he hasn’t spoken to Luke. So either McDermott has suddenly become an amazing actor or he really likes Campbell. 
 

Now I am not necessarily saying they will target him in the first round or whatever. I just don’t see any scenario in which they don’t love that guy. He is exactly what they want, a guy who is in the right place, who gets everyone lined up, wears the dot, is a leader on the defense and communicates. Just my 2 cents. Not an actual rumor. 

 

 

I’d rather just start Klein and invest everything into the Offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

6’2  220  and has elite top speed

 

could Mingo go late 1st?

Edited April 23, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[OldTimer1960]

This thread is very long, so don’t know if this was posted, but I heard on SeriusXM NFL radio that Jordan Addison was even lighter at his pro day than the 173 he weighed at the combine.  Supposedly weighed an even 170 at his pro day.

 

I love Addison’s route running, but 170 is super small for an NFL WR.  As much as I want them to get help at WR, I’m not sure if I’d have the nerve to draft Addison or Flowers in round 1 and I just don’t like Quentin Johnston.

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Watching McDermott’s presser, when he describes what he is looking for in a mike, he described all the characteristics that Jack Campbell has. And Campbell is probably one of the only guys in the draft with those traits. He even made a mini joke about football instincts.
 

Then he was asked about Campbell training with Kuechly and he smirked with a 💩 eating grin and said he hasn’t spoken to Luke. So either McDermott has suddenly become an amazing actor or he really likes Campbell. 
 

Now I am not necessarily saying they will target him in the first round or whatever. I just don’t see any scenario in which they don’t love that guy. He is exactly what they want, a guy who is in the right place, who gets everyone lined up, wears the dot, is a leader on the defense and communicates. Just my 2 cents. Not an actual rumor. 

 

 

I think Campbell’s intangibles are top notch and he is experienced.  I understand that at 27 in this draft they will be doing well to find a decent to above average eventual starter, but Campbell just feels like a consolation prize.  Problem is, I’m not crazy about Simpson or Sanders, either.

Edited April 23, 2023 by OldTimer1960

[NewEra]

19 hours ago, Doc said:

 

In college, before he tore his ACL.  And now he has a gambling suspension.  He'll have to show something, anything, before even considering trading a day 3 pick for him right now.

This is crazy talk

[Beck Water]

19 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

Last years draft was the time to take a stud WR but Beane chose to take another RB. Cook is fine but I think all of us would’ve been more stoked to go into this year with Pickens opposite Diggs instead of Cook in the backfield

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Or Christian Watson, who was always going to take a bit of time, but had over 500 yards in the final 8 games of last season and you could have had him ready to go by playoff time. I liked Pickens too, but Watson was the guy I really wanted them to consider where they were last year. He felt like their kind of prospect too, raw, but incredible ceiling. 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

This thread is very long, so don’t know if this was posted, but I heard on SeriusXM NFL radio that Jordan Addison was even lighter at his pro day than the 173 he weighed at the combine.  Supposedly weighed an even 170 at his pro day.

 

Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in? 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2023 by Beck Water

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

And again - Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

Yes that was the discussion at the time.......I remember discussing it with GB.........Watson late first was not a reach in terms of talent.

 

Beane was really thirsty for a CB though.   Turned out to be a very deep draft of CB's..........which it also appeared to be at the time, fwiw.

 

Could they have drafted a CB who could have split snaps with Benford early in the season with that 4th rounder they used to trade up and been fine?

 

Yep.  

 

Hopefully Elam pans out big-time........he's a young pup compared to Watson so there is that...........but thinking "need" in a deep draft class is a good way to end up looking like you didn't do your homework.

Edited April 23, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in? 

 

 

 

I was pretty sure I had read a draft profile on Addison where he was listed at 180 lbs, but I just checked a few and they all say 173. I think you have to take him if he is there at 27. 

[whorlnut]

4 hours ago, jahnyc said:

If the Bills are looking to fill immediate needs and imminent needs (i.e., 2024 needs), I think the top three picks will be some combination of ILB, DT and OT.  We have a current hole at ILB, no DTs signed for 2024 (and I doubt we re-sign Oliver), and we need a swing OT (plus we need better overall play at OT and both Dawkins and Brown are free agents after 2024).  We do need to upgrade at WR, so that of course may be a top three pick, but I believe the current needs are greater at these other positions.

A “hole” at MLB?  Haha. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Bills did just sign Klein. How is the need at WR any different than that with the underwhelming signings of Harty and Sherfield?  Another legit receiver takes us to the next level long before a MLBer does. 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, finn said:

So is the lazy reading habits of people on this board. Note the conditional tense in my post. And also note that the OP assumed Araiza hooked up with the "wrong girl." How about assuming her innocence? 

Her claims at the time were unbelievable.  With the link I provided, the time for assuming her innocence is long gone. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Doc

[NeverOutNick]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

 

Yeah, I knew that he was picked before the Bill second round selection but we know Brandon Beane loves to trade up. It was only a few spots I kept yelling at my TV. Pickens is still on the board trade up but sadly the TV didn’t listen.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

While we're being revisionist, it may be worth noting that Pittsburgh drafted Pickens with pick #52.

 

The Bills original round 2 pick was pick #57.

 

So there is actually no way that we could have drafted PIckens, unless you thought we should take him in the first round?

 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

Isn't 3 lbs like, whether or not the guy has chugged a bottle of gatorade and had big meal recently, while waiting to take a dump until after the weigh in? 

 

 

 

Well, a liter of water weighs 2.2 lbs, so yes.  However, it doesn’t change the fact that Addison (and several other WR in this draft are well below NFL size standards.  There are always exceptions to the rule, but you have to look very closely at those situations to avoid making big mistakes.  That being said, I am pretty confident that Addison’s floor is a pretty good slot receiver which ain’t bad, except round 1 is pretty steep for that.

[Dan in Owego]

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’d rather just start Klein and invest everything into the Offense

 

 

 

 

 

 

6’2  220  and has elite top speed

 

could Mingo go late 1st?

Yes he could, in a draft like this traits over production start to pop up all over the place. A kind of swing for the fences mentality, and face it he brings traits to the table few can match.

7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Well, a liter of water weighs 2.2 lbs, so yes.  However, it doesn’t change the fact that Addison (and several other WR in this draft are well below NFL size standards.  There are always exceptions to the rule, but you have to look very closely at those situations to avoid making big mistakes.  That being said, I am pretty confident that Addison’s floor is a pretty good slot receiver which ain’t bad, except round 1 is pretty steep for that.

Addison seems like an Emanuel Sanders clone to my eye, so that's pretty good, except Sanders was a third. Although bringing that up is hindsight lol and won't remotely affect his first round status.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

 

 

And again - it may be worth noting that Watson was drafted at #34, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

 

So where did you want the Bills to draft Watson?  In the 1st instead of Elam?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course.  Many of us here wanted them to do just that.  And we appear to have been right.

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Of course.  Many of us here wanted them to do just that.  And we appear to have been right.

I wanted the bills to wait on corner in a deep class and land woolen or Taylor Britt. Beane got antsy and moved up to get the last guy on their board instead of waiting. The idea that he is gonna trade back when we have a need at receiver this year is funny to me. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

I wanted the bills to wait on corner in a deep class and land woolen or Taylor Britt. Beane got antsy and moved up to get the last guy on their board instead of waiting. The idea that he is gonna trade back when we have a need at receiver this year is funny to me. 

They drafted to fill a (perceived) need…always a bad idea.  

[whorlnut]

Just now, mannc said:

They drafted to fill a (perceived) need…always a bad idea.  

Yep…and that’s why I laugh at the idea of BPA. Beane has never done that, but most of his apologists say he does. Now…I don’t necessarily think he reaches too far for players,but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t draft for need. This year will be interesting. I don’t think he will draft a LB before 2, but if he does, imo he deserves every ounce of criticism that he will get.

[bobobonators]

13 minutes ago, mannc said:

Of course.  Many of us here wanted them to do just that.  And we appear to have been right.

Many here also wanted Josh Rosen. 

[pennstate10]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is kind of all on Elam to me. If he becomes a true #1 corner for this team it will end up an okay draft. But the next two picks - Cook and Bernard - we are such low value spots that even if they went being good players it is unlikely to move the needle significantly. They'd have to become elite to really do that and I don't see it. I suppose Shakir or Benford could hit big but that is in the realms of a wing and a prayer. 

Gunner, really appreciate your work.

But…

While I agree that it’s unlikely Bernard will hit as a good player, I think Shakir, and Benford..especially Benford…could end up as multi-year starters.  Which in my opinion, is hitting big for 5-6 round guys.