FA Cameron Fleming RT Why don't we go get him?

[PrimeTime101]

This is a good RT that could start for us today, had a great year for Denver last year... at 31 years old he would be a cheap fill in for 1 year till we resolve it in a future draft. At the least, he will compete with Brown...

[mrags]

Because Beane and the Bills brass have already expressed their belief in Brown and regardless what many fans think, he is their guy at RT moving forward. 

[PrimeTime101]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

Because Beane and the Bills brass have already expressed their belief in Brown and regardless what many fans think, he is their guy at RT moving forward. 

That's an assumption not fact. They specifically said this off-season they were going to look over every position this year to see how we could improve (within reason)

Edited April 3, 2023 by PrimeTime101

[Warriorspikes51]

I want DJ Fluker 

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

That's an assumption not fact. They specifically said this off-season they were going to overlook every position this year to see how we could improve (within reason)

They say that every year. I’m just reading the writing on the wall. They aren’t going to upgrade the RT spot. Unless someone falls to them in the draft they weren’t expecting to be there and they can’t pass it up. 
 

we can wish and hope all we want, but consistently this FO has disappointed us when it comes to what we think they need as far as competition and what they actually do. Look no further than being disappointed again. Just saying. 

[papazoid]

he'd make a good swing tackle...had starts at both sides last year

 

about as good as dawkins and way better than quisenberry and brown.

 

if at $1.9 mil .....a no brainer

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, mrags said:

They say that every year. I’m just reading the writing on the wall. They aren’t going to upgrade the RT spot. Unless someone falls to them in the draft they weren’t expecting to be there and they can’t pass it up. 
 

we can wish and hope all we want, but consistently this FO has disappointed us when it comes to what we think they need as far as competition and what they actually do. Look no further than being disappointed again. Just saying. 

that is an assumption sir. for 1.1 million for 1 year why would you NOT bring in competition? at the very least, solid depth? IF they feel they SO good at RT then why would they even have T anywhere on their radar?

 

Guess we agree to disagree on this one  

Just now, papazoid said:

he'd make a good swing tackle...had starts at both sides last year

 

about as good as dawkins and way better than quisenberry and brown.

 

if at $1.9 mil .....a no brainer

THANK YOU!!!    jeez... no brainer spot on..  

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

that is an assumption sir. for 1.1 million for 1 year why would you NOT bring in competition? at the very least, solid depth? IF they feel they SO good at RT then why would they even have T anywhere on their radar?

 

Guess we agree to disagree on this one  

THANK YOU!!!    jeez... no brainer spot on..  

if he was so good last year, why would he sign for 1.1M?  Quessenberry got 1.8 and he stunk. 

[Yantha]

7 penalties and 6 sacks allowed.

 

Brown was 6 and 4 respectively, and it could be argued has more upside.

[Paup 1995MVP]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

They say that every year. I’m just reading the writing on the wall. They aren’t going to upgrade the RT spot. Unless someone falls to them in the draft they weren’t expecting to be there and they can’t pass it up. 
 

we can wish and hope all we want, but consistently this FO has disappointed us when it comes to what we think they need as far as competition and what they actually do. Look no further than being disappointed again. Just saying. 

The Bills overall evaluation of talent is questionable at best.  And especially poor on both lines.  That they think that Spencer Brown is good enough to be a starter on a Super Bowl contender is curious at best, and down right negligent at worst?  Fortunately we hit on an amazing QB.  Because if not for Josh Allen, McBeane would have been working for LL Beane by now.

[mrags]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

that is an assumption sir. for 1.1 million for 1 year why would you NOT bring in competition? at the very least, solid depth? IF they feel they SO good at RT then why would they even have T anywhere on their radar?

 

Guess we agree to disagree on this one  

FYI, I never said I wouldn’t bring someone in. I think they should. Personally I’d take someone to compete with Dawkins for LT and the loser goes to LG. At least on paper that sounds great, but Dawkins would be much better suited at G imo. And…. He’s coming to the end of his contract. Only 2 more years left I believe. I’d be searching for his replacement at the very least. 
 

and they would be foolish to not even be looking at all the options available to them in every draft and FA. You don’t completely discount any position just because you have someone there already. You may find someone completely better. But that’s the argument for Best Player Available with each pick vs drafting for need. 
 

like I said, I’m not disagreeing that we should be looking at every option. We should. I’m simply stating that I’m following my gut that Beane will not replace or find someone to compete with Brown this year in FA or draft. UNLESS, someone falls to them at a spot they never imagined would happen. 
 

Either way, neither of us can be proven right on what the FO is thinking. Unless youve got Beanes phone number and want to give him a text and see what he plans on doing. 

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

if he was so good last year, why would he sign for 1.1M?  Quessenberry got 1.8 and he stunk. 

Thank you 

1 minute ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

The Bills overall evaluation of talent is questionable at best.  And especially poor on both lines.  That they think that Spencer Brown is good enough to be a starter on a Super Bowl contender is curious at best, and down right negligent at worst?  Fortunately we hit on an amazing QB.  Because if not for Josh Allen, McBeane would have been working for LL Beane by now.

100%. Again, I’m not saying what I think they should do. I’m simply stating what I think is going through their heads and what I expect them to do. 
 

If you think we’re going OT, look to be disappointed is all I’m saying.  

5 minutes ago, Yantha said:

7 penalties and 6 sacks allowed.

 

Brown was 6 and 4 respectively, and it could be argued has more upside.

Brown is young. And this guy is 31. I’m positive he has more upside. 

[PrimeTime101]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

if he was so good last year, why would he sign for 1.1M?  Quessenberry got 1.8 and he stunk. 

he asking between 1.1  1.8m. you bring up a good point.. that being said I ask? Why not?

[RiotAct]

46 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

That's an assumption not fact. They specifically said this off-season they were going to overlook every position this year to see how we could improve (within reason)

seems like they’ve overlooked quite a few positions already

[PrimeTime101]

45 minutes ago, Yantha said:

7 penalties and 6 sacks allowed.

 

Brown was 6 and 4 respectively, and it could be argued has more upside.

Your looking at 2 stats and think that one is better over 2 stats? are you kidding me? While I agree Brown has more upside, this is about competition and depth yes? 

[hondo in seattle]

38 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

The Bills overall evaluation of talent is questionable at best.  And especially poor on both lines.  That they think that Spencer Brown is good enough to be a starter on a Super Bowl contender is curious at best, and down right negligent at worst?  Fortunately we hit on an amazing QB.  Because if not for Josh Allen, McBeane would have been working for LL Beane by now.

 

I wouldn't call the Bills talent evaluation "questionable at best."   The Bills have won 10+ games four consecutive years - a feat the franchise has accomplished only once before in its long history.   Apparently Beane isn't fielding JUCO kids out there.  And you can't discount Allen - Beane maneuvered and got the guy he wanted.  He deserves credit for that.  With an above average W-L record, the evidence indicates the Bills are above-average in talent evaluation and acquisition.  

 

You say they think Brown is good enough to be a starter on a Super Bowl team.  I'm guessing you are not a board-certified mind-reader.   What GMs and HCs say in public and what they think in private are two very different things.  I personally have no idea of what they actually think of Brown.  

Clearly, Beane has made some mistakes - as all GMs do (I agree he's neglected the OL).  And just as clearly, he hasn't been good enough (yet?) to build a SB-caliber roster.  But suggesting that he'd be working for LL Beane now if not for Josh is a nice play on words but tremendously overblown.  Beane is good at his job.  The only question is he good enough?

 

 

[GreggTX]

He's not very good. You can't build a good OL by signing only low quality linemen. At some point you need to sign good or elite linemen. We have too many low quality offensive linemen already.

[billsfan89]

I wouldn’t hate the depth move but I do agree with some of the other posters that the front office has a belief in Brown at RT for some reason…

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

This is a good RT that could start for us today, had a great year for Denver last year... at 31 years old he would be a cheap fill in for 1 year till we resolve it in a future draft. At the least, he will compete with Brown...

Because this staff loves Spencer Brown. 

 

The RAS, the lack of time on job equates to untapped upside in their minds.

 

The Bills acquired an adequate LT and Center. Since 2021, the blueprint on the Offensive Line is surround with cheaper, low-end starters.

 

 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

That's an assumption not fact. They specifically said this off-season they were going to overlook every position this year to see how we could improve (within reason)

 

Why are you assuming they have not talk to that guy? Why are you assuming that the guy wants to come to Buffalo for the money available?

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Max Fischer said:

 

Why are you assuming they have not talk to that guy? Why are you assuming that the guy wants to come to Buffalo for the money available?

I have not assumed anything of what you say here. Nothing of what you said in this sentence is in my words.  Go back and read WHAT i quoted. your alone in right field with no balls headed your way.