Drew Sanders vs Jack Campbell

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Oh well then you don't take the 53rd rated player at 27

 

Rankings only mean so much.

[BigAl2526]

Sanders is a little faster, a tiny bit shorter and quite a bit lighter.  Campbell, besides being bigger, is quite a bit more experienced.  Between the two of them, Buffalo has to decide, I think who has the higher ceiling.  Part of that is deciding to what extent Drew Sanders' shortcomings can be coached up.  There is, of course, no guarantee the Bills will draft either one.  

[GunnerBill]

46 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I think Campbell is the best LB in the draft. He'd be a good fit in the Bills D. Ideally, the Bills move down a tad and pick up Campbell with extra picks added. 

 

He is the most pro ready for sure.

28 minutes ago, Chaos said:

You watch more tape than me. (And i on on record of wanting to go for Darnell Wright with #27).  But I think regarding Campbell, you need to watch his tape  again when he is in coverage.  He is so much smoother in his change of direction than Edmunds, it looks slower, but I am pretty certaion he is not slower on the change in directions. His measurements reflect what is on tape.  It is just different than frantic change of directions Edmunds had to make to recover from his lack of instincts. 

 

He is good in zone. But he doesn't have those sudden movement skills when matched up. 

[starrymessenger]

6 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

From what I can gather:

 

Sanders - Better athlete, 1 year starter, very raw, poor tackler, great blitzer.

 

Campbell - Better size, much more consistent, elite intangibles and leadership. 
 

Sanders has the higher ceiling, Campbell has a higher floor.

 

I do feel one of these two will be the pick at 27.

I dont see the Bills going for Sanders to fill the MLB hole. In my opinion it’s between Campbell and Simpson. 

[mrags]

Both are pretty good. I’d just prefer Sewell in the later rounds 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

I dont see the Bills going for Sanders to fill the MLB hole. In my opinion it’s between Campbell and Simpson. 

Apparently Simpson doesn’t project to MLB well, more of a OLB.

[akcash]

Give me some Drew Sanders... I don't even know what round is his projected... what u guys think. I'd take Campbell in the third. Or if we trade back in 2nd. Not using premium picks on a mediocre MLB.

[Freddie's Dead]

8 hours ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

If you’re gonna put nonsense like this out here, at least spell the name correctly. It’s Shane Conlan. And he would do well in today’s NFL. BTW, he never had a mullet. 

 

You beat me to it.

[Goin Breakdown]

[starrymessenger]

30 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Apparently Simpson doesn’t project to MLB well, more of a OLB.

I agree that hes not your ideal traditional 4/3 stack linebacker, and he played some WILL in college, but Bills base defence is nickel and hes best as a nickel linebacker. So scheme wise I dont think there should be a problem.

[Green Lightning]

10 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

the posters on TBD tend to skew older. They want a white LB with a mullet and a neck pad, like it was 1995. Edmunds was a modern LB and was hated here because he is a coverage LB and not Shane Conlin.

I skew older and at any age your post is asinine. 

[BillsNutHawaii]

10 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

the posters on TBD tend to skew older. They want a white LB with a mullet and a neck pad, like it was 1995. Edmunds was a modern LB and was hated here because he is a coverage LB and not Shane Conlin.

Lol…. You had me at “1995”

[KOKBILLS]

I like both...

 

Sanders is definitely the more explosive athlete...He's a better Pass Rusher...But give me Cpt Jack...I'm just a fan. He's cerebral. Whatever he lacks (and that's not much, his RAS is elite) he's going to make up for it with instincts, smarts, and he's a leader...

 

I think all things considered Campbell is just about best-case-scenario to replace Edmunds. You get a young guy with a great size, smarts, intangibles...A team Captain...And when you're trying to win a SB that's a big win...

[Snappysnackcakes]

6 hours ago, Doc said:

 

 

This.  We want a player with Edmunds' athleticism but MLB  instincts.

This^^^^^^^

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is the most pro ready for sure.

 

He is good in zone. But he doesn't have those sudden movement skills when matched up. 

 

 

Not that sudden movement skills helped Tremaine Edmunds much in man coverage.   Despite the hype about him being able to play nickel corner at VA Tech he didn't pee a drop in man coverage in his career in Buffalo and in the rare instance when he had the foresight to identify where a ball was going in time to easily defend the pass he would focus on running thru the player rather than playing the ball.   He had something of a bounce-back year in coverage last year but the prior two years teams threw at him even when he had great position because his ball skills are incredibly poor.   His physical talent/potential will be hard to beat but his lack of awareness in the heat of a play will not be hard for his successor to surpass. 

[BillsFanForever19]

I know everyone loves Jack Campbell. But I think he's just poor value at 27. I'd hope we'd trade down from 27 or up from 59 if he's who they want.

 

It's odd to me that a place that I see so often posting "you don't reach for need" is so keen on it this year with Campbell.

 

A lot of people were torching Beane for "reaching" for Elam last year. Campbell seems to be a much bigger reach at 27 this year than Elam was at 23 last year.

Edited April 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Utah John]

15 hours ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

If you’re gonna put nonsense like this out here, at least spell the name correctly. It’s Shane Conlan. And he would do well in today’s NFL. BTW, he never had a mullet. 

Conlan was a great mid-field thumper, but his 40 time was measured with a sundial.  Watching him chase someone was just pathetic.  MLBs like him were great in their day but not now. 

[frostbitmic]

It doesn't much matter, Beane will wait until the 2nd round for a LB (Sewell, Henley or Overshown).

 

The first round is for DE/Edge to get after the QB of course. The Bills have a number of guys that chase QBs around pretty well but the only guy that seems to get them on the ground is Miller, who has OG Knees.

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I know everyone loves Jack Campbell. But I think he's just poor value at 27. I'd hope we'd trade down from 27 or up from 59 if he's who they want.

 

It's odd to me that a place that I see so often posting "you don't reach for need" is so keen on it this year with Campbell.

 

A lot of people were torching Beane for "reaching" for Elam last year. Campbell seems to be a much bigger reach at 27 this year than Elam was at 23 last year.

That is an interesting perspective. I’d say the difference this year is that we don’t seem to have a MLB on the roster, at all. Which is a pretty darn big hole if you ask me. So unless you’re ready to go through the season with the couple of middle/late round kids they drafted last year you’re taking a mighty big gamble that the Board falls your way. (It’s why Beane gets the big bucks.) 

[Doc]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That is an interesting perspective. I’d say the difference this year is that we don’t seem to have a MLB on the roster, at all. Which is a pretty darn big hole if you ask me. So unless you’re ready to go through the season with the couple of middle/late round kids they drafted last year you’re taking a mighty big gamble that the Board falls your way. (It’s why Beane gets the big bucks.) 

 

And saying someone is poor value before the draft is subjective.  All it takes is for some team to draft him higher than you were going to and then see that player become a stud.  Again I think that the latest he goes is 32, to the Steelers.  But I don't have a crystal ball.