Drew Sanders vs Jack Campbell

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’ve grown to really like Campbell but once again, we are going to miss Edmunds more people want to admit. Also the idea of using a 1st round pick on a MLB after losing a good one seems like awful roster construction. Especially when Campbell is going to be a liability in coverage. 
 

I like the player so I won’t absolutely hate the pick but it definitely won’t be my favorite.

 

Not when the player lost cost $20M/year.  As for being a liability in coverage, I've seen conflicting reports on that.

[billsfan89]

26 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’ve grown to really like Campbell but once again, we are going to miss Edmunds more people want to admit. Also the idea of using a 1st round pick on a MLB after losing a good one seems like awful roster construction. Especially when Campbell is going to be a liability in coverage. 
 

I like the player so I won’t absolutely hate the pick but it definitely won’t be my favorite.

 

I would rather use pick 27 to get a piece on offense to help Josh. The Bills can spend pick 59 or 91 to address MLB and I can live with lesser MLB play. Josh is the franchise and this team needs to invest premium picks in the talent around him. Either a WR or RT should be there at pick 27 that can get the offense another piece it needs to be successful. 

 

To put it simply I can live with mediocre MLB play but I don't think this team should be skimping on putting talent around Josh.

[HaldimandBills]

On 4/2/2023 at 10:27 AM, FrenchConnection said:

the posters on TBD tend to skew older. They want a white LB with a mullet and a neck pad, like it was 1995. Edmunds was a modern LB and was hated here because he is a coverage LB and not Shane Conlin.

Both Drew Sanders and Jack Campbell are white. Want to maybe rethink your ignorant - post modernist opinion. I'm in my 30s FYI.

[Einstein's Dog]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I say that a lot because multiple on here get very defensive if you don't put "I think" before expressing an opinion. I agree with you, it is unneccessary. My view is on a fan message board it should be perfectly apparent when what you are doing is expressing an opinion and that actually when people should be clear is when they are not expressing an opinion and are stating something as a matter of record. But the consensus on the board seems to be that you have to make clear your opinions are opinions. 

 

As for zero added value... that is your opinion. You are entitled to it. 

If it's any consolation I appreciate your efforts in qualifying what is your opinion.  It makes it easier (at least for me) to converse about opinions I differ with.

 

I'd be excited with either mlb.   Seems to fit the best player available at a premier position of need.  Our last mlb just got $18M and good replacements would have cost in excess of $7M.  Contrast that with the Singletary getting $3.5M and our replacing him with the $1.8M Harris.

 

I think the trading down scenario's are a difficult and dangerous game.  If both mlb's are still there along with B Robinson, I could see the FO trying something.  Otherwise just take your preference and be done with it.

[Rigotz]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Campbell is graded higher than Sanders just about everywhere I check.  So not a surprise to see Campbell the more talked about player.  

 

I think both are potential targets for us, but if we were to draft Sanders I think we would be wasting his best attributes which is rushing the passer as we do not bring blitzes often from the MLB spot in this defense.  So unless McD intends on changing how we have used our MLB, Campbell seems to be the more ready to play fit for us.  

 

I would be excited about either player personally, both have some exciting positives about them.  But I just think Campbell seems to be a more likely choice who could come in more ready to play in this defense.  

 

I don't know where you guys are looking...

 

Drew Sanders: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/drew-sanders

Jack Campbell: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/jack-campbell

 

That website aggregates all mock drafts and rankings and Sanders is ranked significantly better.

 

 

[Snappysnackcakes]

16 hours ago, Utah John said:

Conlan was a great mid-field thumper, but his 40 time was measured with a sundial.  Watching him chase someone was just pathetic.  MLBs like him were great in their day but not now. 

‘87 was the first year for the draft combine and Conlan did not participate. We’ll never know his 40, but he wasn’t that slow. BTW, today is his birthday. Weird. 

[Doc]

53 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

I don't know where you guys are looking...

 

Drew Sanders: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/drew-sanders

Jack Campbell: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/jack-campbell

 

That website aggregates all mock drafts and rankings and Sanders is ranked significantly better.

 

Yeah but Campbell's highest draft position is 17th overall whereas for Sanders it's 30th.  Again it just takes one team to take a player higher than others had him ranked and watch him become a stud.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah but Campbell's highest draft position is 17th overall whereas for Sanders it's 30th.  Again it just takes one team to take a player higher than others had him ranked and watch him become a stud.

 

See: Troup, Torrel

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

 

I don't know where you guys are looking...

 

Drew Sanders: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/drew-sanders

Jack Campbell: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2023/jack-campbell

 

That website aggregates all mock drafts and rankings and Sanders is ranked significantly better.

 

 

 

They compile mock drafts, that doesn't reflect actual scout grading.  Not a surprise Sanders is mocked a bit earlier because he excels more at rushing the passer as more of a hybrid LB who converted from DE vs a true Mike LB.  

 

It honestly comes down to the type of LB you want really because both Sanders and Simpson are quite different players than Campbell.  

[Pirate Angel]

Id love either one,  Sanders edges him out with athleticism. 

[BobbyC81]

On 4/2/2023 at 7:43 AM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

From what I can gather:

 

Sanders - Better athlete, 1 year starter, very raw, poor tackler, great blitzer.

 

Campbell - Better size, much more consistent, elite intangibles and leadership. 
 

Sanders has the higher ceiling, Campbell has a higher floor.

 

I do feel one of these two will be the pick at 27.

One of the multi-round mocks on NFL.com has the Bills getting Sanders with their 2nd round pick.  Not very likely.

[Warriorspikes51]

Are we really going into this draft and reaching for a MLB at 27 like we did last year at CB?

Rather irritating.  

[bmur66]

Wait…..Does Campbell have a mullet or not?

Edited April 4, 2023 by bmur66

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Are we really going into this draft and reaching for a MLB at 27 like we did last year at CB?

Rather irritating.  

Let me guess: You prefer to reach for another DE? 😉

[Southern_Bills]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Are we really going into this draft and reaching for a MLB at 27 like we did last year at CB?

Rather irritating.  

 

Sadly at 27 most positions we need will be considered a reach unless someone falls.

 

I'd still like an Olineman, but even then at 27 there are no slam dunks.

 

At pick 27 I just trust the GM has a clue, Elam wasn't a bad pick, he was just managed poorly his rookie year.

[OldTimer1960]

16 hours ago, Augie said:

 

See: Troup, Torrel

Troup injured his back and cost him his career.  I think unfair to call him a bust - could not know he would be injured when they play picked him.

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Wait…..Does Campbell have a mullet or not?

Doesn't look like a mullet guy to me. Just some diglebarry spewing crap.

[Philly McButterpants]

On 4/2/2023 at 11:09 AM, John from Riverside said:

Didn’t our last linebacker play outside in college? Could’ve swore I heard that Tremaine played outside.

 

Doesn't matter cuz he's only 19 and he will learn it...

[Shaw66]

On 4/3/2023 at 11:10 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I think finding a rookie to play at the level Tremaine did in 2022 out of the box is going to be a challenge. I think it was comfortably his best season as a Bill. I think Campbell could be the closest as a rookie, but I think his calling card is going to have to be his consistency (which until 2022 was Tremaine's issue, he was inconsistent). Simpson and Sanders would probably have some growing pains in year 1. Simpson would be converting to a true MLB for the first time and Sanders has only played 1 year there in college. But I think both of them have the potential to make more splash plays than Tremaine did. None of the 3 are the prospect Edmunds was coming out mind you. He just never quite lived up to his full potential with the Bills.

Thanks for your comments in this thread.  I've jumped around a bit here and learned.   

 

I happened to watch a Youtube highlights video of Sanders, and I can see why people think he has promise.   I like his size and his mobility, although it's clear from the video that he doesn't play at the speed Edmunds does.   As you say, none are the prospect Edmunds was. 

 

What I really liked about Sanders is that he attacks ball carriers.   He gets downhill and hits people with the intention of taking them off their feet.   I don't mean he's a run stopper.  I mean when he arrives at the ball carrier in the flat or over the middle, he hits the guy like I always hoped Edmunds would hit the guy.  

 

I think he has the size and mobility to play the position the way the Bills played Edmunds. Probably a little better player downhill and a little less range in coverage.  

[Tenhigh]

On 4/2/2023 at 10:27 AM, FrenchConnection said:

the posters on TBD tend to skew older. They want a white LB with a mullet and a neck pad, like it was 1995. Edmunds was a modern LB and was hated here because he is a coverage LB and not Shane Conlin.

Dang, somebody struck a nerve...