Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Billsy, again- you sound ridiculous calling those who oppose communism, communists… None of them support groups that claim to be Marxist (like BLM) or groups that wave the hammer and sickle flag (like Antifa)…And they certainly don’t believe in “equity” like the Biden administration, which is the foundation of communism…It’s just YOU… Don’t you see how none of your comrades, who think like you, are calling anti-communists, communists?Because they’re probably thinking the same thing we all are- It makes no sense, and makes you seem like you have no idea what you’re talking about… Now, if you think someone is acting “authoritarian” in some way, that would make more sense, but nobody on this board thinks that government should own all of industry, like communists do…just a friendly reminder, if you care to be taken seriously…👍 But then again- maybe you don’t care to… Basically to the fascists here, anyone not adhering to their strict far right narrative is a communist. I'm the furthest thing from a communist outside of a fascist and even then, I suspect my belief in competitive capitalism is stronger than most of them (you).. you've bastardized the word to suit your narrative as you do most things...
JaCrispy Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Basically to the fascists here, anyone not adhering to their strict far right narrative is a communist. I'm the furthest thing from a communist outside of a fascist and even then, I suspect my belief in competitive capitalism is stronger than most of them (you).. you've bastardized the word to suit your narrative as you do most things... Oh? Do you support BLM, Antifa? People who are not communists DO NOT support these overtly communist groups…👍 If you support the Founding documents of this republic, you are not communist… However, EQUITY is anti-American because it is anti civil liberties…Civil liberties are based on individual rights and freedoms, which is opposed by Marxists, in favor of the collective- which is where group identity comes in from the Left… Edited April 21, 2023 by JaCrispy
BillStime Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Billsy, again- you sound ridiculous calling those who oppose communism, communists… None of them support groups that claim to be Marxist (like BLM) or groups that wave the hammer and sickle flag (like Antifa)…And they certainly don’t believe in “equity” like the Biden administration, which is the foundation of communism…It’s just YOU… Don’t you see how none of your comrades, who think like you, are calling anti-communists, communists?Because they’re probably thinking the same thing we all are- It makes no sense, and makes you seem like you have no idea what you’re talking about… Now, if you think someone is acting “authoritarian” in some way, that would make more sense, but nobody on this board thinks that government should own all of industry, like communists do…just a friendly reminder, if you care to be taken seriously…👍 But then again- maybe you don’t care to… Um - sure - the laws the cult are passing today could literally be passed in China and NK.
JaCrispy Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Um - sure - the laws the cult are passing today could literally be passed in China and NK. Don’t get me wrong- Authoritarianism can and does happen on both sides… The only point I’m trying to make is that you are confusing Communism and Authoritarianism… Edited April 21, 2023 by JaCrispy
BillStime Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Don’t get me wrong- Authoritarianism can and does happen on both sides… The only point I’m trying to make is that you are confusing Communism and Authoritarianism… Yep - um sure - whatever helps you sleep better at night commie.
JaCrispy Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yep - um sure - whatever helps you sleep better at night commie. Well, I’ve done my part to try and offer some helpful insight to a political adversary…Where you go with it is up to you… So, as long as you are AWARE of your ignorance, I WILL sleep better at night…😉 Edited April 21, 2023 by JaCrispy 1
BillStime Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Well, I’ve done my part to try and offer some helpful insight to a political adversary…Where you go with it is up to you… So, as long as you are AWARE of your ignorance, I WILL sleep better at night…😉 Yea Xi JaCrispy - go pass more laws dictating what people can do and say… Sleep well commie 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Oh? Do you support BLM, Antifa? People who are not communists DO NOT support these overtly communist groups…👍 If you support the Founding documents of this republic, you are not communist… However, EQUITY is anti-American because it is anti civil liberties…Civil liberties are based on individual rights and freedoms, which is opposed by Marxists, in favor of the collective- which is where group identity comes in from the Left… In conflicts between neo nazis and antifa or BLM, I support the latter over the former. same for proud boys, KKK etc. I'd rather there not be any of these groups and I'm not convinced any are communist groups. But if I had to choose a side, there you, there you have it. Istill don't subscribe to communism nor socialism. So does that make me a communist in your eyes?
JaCrispy Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: Yea Xi JaCrispy - go pass more laws dictating what people can do and say… Sleep well commie 1 1
Big Blitz Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 Wow Guaranteed a “declaration of war” against Christians. Guaranteed that’s what’s in it. But ban the guns.
BillStime Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Guaranteed a “declaration of war” against Christians. Guaranteed that’s what’s in it. War? Christians declared was on its own people. How many people were molested? How many billions have been awarded to victims? gtfoh
JaCrispy Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: In conflicts between neo nazis and antifa or BLM, I support the latter over the former. same for proud boys, KKK etc. I'd rather there not be any of these groups and I'm not convinced any are communist groups. But if I had to choose a side, there you, there you have it. Istill don't subscribe to communism nor socialism. So does that make me a communist in your eyes? No, not at all…and that’s an excellent answer…thank you for helping out your friend with a coherent response… And I agree, I’d rather there not be any of those groups as well…They are all extremist groups imo…👍 The problem is they are all battling each other and we are caught in the middle, forced to choose a side or be “excommunicated”… Then you get into the situation where there are so many different cultures here, that have so many different standards of living…That’s why the Founders wanted local governments, not centralized authority, to determine the will of the people…👍 2
DrW Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Then you get into the situation where there are so many different cultures here, that have so many different standards of living…That’s why the Founders wanted local governments, not centralized authority, to determine the will of the people…👍 That is a very interesting point. As a German, my knowledge of American History is limited (but good enough to pass the citizenship test with flying colors). I have two questions/comments. First, isn't it possible that the apparent preference of the Founders for local governments has, at least partially, to do with the speed of communication at that time? Sending a rider on horseback back and forth is just not very effective in resolving an imminent crisis. Second, the Founders are often treated as monolithic entity. What do you think of the quote by Georgia State historian David Sehat: "Everyone cites the Founders. Constitutional originalists consult the Founders’ papers to decide original meaning. Proponents of a living and evolving Constitution turn to the Founders as the font of ideas that have grown over time. Conservatives view the Founders as architects of a free enterprise system that built American greatness. The more liberal-leaning, following their sixties parents, claim the Founders as egalitarians, suspicious of concentrations of wealth. Independents look to the Founders to break the logjam of partisan brinksmanship. Across the political spectrum, Americans ground their views in a supposed set of ideas that emerged in the eighteenth century. But, in fact, the Founders disagreed with each other....they had vast and profound differences. They argued over federal intervention in the economy and about foreign policy. They fought bitterly over how much authority rested with the executive branch, about the relationship and prerogatives of federal and state government. The Constitution provided a nearly limitless theater of argument. The founding era was, in reality, one of the most partisan periods of American history." Edited April 21, 2023 by DrW 1
JaCrispy Posted April 21, 2023 Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, DrW said: That is a very interesting point. As a German, my knowledge of American History is limited (but good enough to pass the citizenship test with flying colors). I have two questions/comments. First, isn't it possible that the apparent preference of the Founders for local governments has, at least partially, to do with the speed of communication at that time? Sending a rider on horseback back and forth is just not very effective in resolving an imminent crisis. Second, the Founders are often treated as monolithic entity. What do you think of the quote by Georgia State historian David Sehat: "Everyone cites the Founders. Constitutional originalists consult the Founders’ papers to decide original meaning. Proponents of a living and evolving Constitution turn to the Founders as the font of ideas that have grown over time. Conservatives view the Founders as architects of a free enterprise system that built American greatness. The more liberal-leaning, following their sixties parents, claim the Founders as egalitarians, suspicious of concentrations of wealth. Independents look to the Founders to break the logjam of partisan brinksmanship. Across the political spectrum, Americans ground their views in a supposed set of ideas that emerged in the eighteenth century. But, in fact, the Founders disagreed with each other....they had vast and profound differences. They argued over federal intervention in the economy and about foreign policy. They fought bitterly over how much authority rested with the executive branch, about the relationship and prerogatives of federal and state government. The Constitution provided a nearly limitless theater of argument. The founding era was, in reality, one of the most partisan periods of American history." First off, thank you so much for such an awesome post…It is rare around here that you actually get to engage in thoughtful dialogue…So thank you…👍 As far as your first point about the slow speed of communication being a partial catalyst for the push for local government over centralized control- I suppose it’s possible, but from my understanding, there were three other reasons I think were likely the cause… The first being we had just fought a war for freedom with a country that had a centralized government…And it was extremely oppressive…So, a great motivation for our new government was to do the opposite of that… Second, each state had its own culture, it’s own values, and its own industry…It probably just made sense to let the governments closest to the people be able to institute policy that best suited localized situations… Third, the country was in its infancy and had no money, no national currency, and no national military…The federal government basically had no power to do anything…All power resided with the states… As for the Founders, you are absolutely correct about them having great disagreements, and even arguments, about the details of the Constitution (like the electoral college, for example)…Therefore, I guess when I refer to the Founders, I’m more referring to what they eventually compromised on- our founding documents… But even though it may have been a period of great partisanship, the one thing they seemed to agree on was not allowing the government to impede people’s freedoms…In fact there was a great saying from one of them (I don’t remember who), but to paraphrase- they didn’t even want to create a government except for the reason of ensuring that people’s rights were protected…👍 I’m not a historian, but I hope this, at least, helped to answer some of your questions…👍 1
Doc Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, aristocrat said: lol In news that surprises no one... 2
JaCrispy Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: In news that surprises no one... This is fantastic…The People will not go silently into the night! 👍
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