The Jokeman Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, Manther said: Kingsley did look better than Boogie, what is Kingsley's status? He's under contract for 2023 and 2024. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Manther said: Kingsley did look better than Boogie, what is Kingsley's status? Kingsley Jonathan was signed to the roster after the year under a Futures contract. Glad to see him talked about. I have thought that he could make this team as the last Defensive End on the 53 if they decide to not pay Shaq and I don't think he'd bring any less than Epenesa or Basham has. Though I'm still hoping Shaq is brought back under an inexpensive deal. 1 Quote
NoName Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 I felt like we should have signed him for cheaper 3 mil seams a bit much for a guy with less than 3 sacks. 1.5 seems more reasonable. Quote
John from Riverside Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He's under contract for 2023 and 2024. I have high hopes for Kingsley I’m not expecting a star, but someone that can perform well in rotation give him minutes 14 minutes ago, NoName said: I felt like we should have signed him for cheaper 3 mil seams a bit much for a guy with less than 3 sacks. 1.5 seems more reasonable. Your quibbling over like $1 million whenever it doesn’t affect our draft Comp pic? Quote
HenryJones Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Bruffalo said: I'll bite. Who are you going to get for 3 million (which is probably incentive heavy) that is better for the scheme? It’s reported at $3M, up to $4.6M. For that money, you can sign 2-3 Taylor Rapp, Damien Harris, Trent Sherfield type players. Jordan Phillips was good back in 2019. We are in 2023 now and he’s missed 19 games the past 3 seasons, while playing half of last year with one arm after trying to be Superman flying to get an elusive Mac Jones. I love that he loves Buffalo, but that’s about it. That when/if healthy people are referencing is a big when/if. They couldn’t add that on to what they were offering OBJ to seal the deal? How’s that affect the ability to pull off a trade for DHop now? They were already up against the cap. This move does not make a lot of sense from my vantage point. Maybe Oliver is on the block and about to get moved. 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, HenryJones said: It’s reported at $3M, up to $4.6M. For that money, you can sign 2-3 Taylor Rapp, Damien Harris, Trent Sherfield type players. Um, yeah. But they don’t fill the position need at DT DT market is really hot this off season Quote
Doc Brown Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, HenryJones said: It’s reported at $3M, up to $4.6M. For that money, you can sign 2-3 Taylor Rapp, Damien Harris, Trent Sherfield type players. Jordan Phillips was good back in 2019. We are in 2023 now and he’s missed 19 games the past 3 seasons, while playing half of last year with one arm after trying to be Superman flying to get an elusive Mac Jones. I love that he loves Buffalo, but that’s about it. That when/if healthy people are referencing is a big when/if. They couldn’t add that on to what they were offering OBJ to seal the deal? How’s that affect the ability to pull off a trade for DHop now? They were already up against the cap. This move does not make a lot of sense from my vantage point. Maybe Oliver is on the block and about to get moved. All the Bills have to do to create the cap space sign OBJ or trade for Hopkins is simply convert Dawkins and White's contract into a signing bonus. This creates 12.4 million in cap space. Quote
HenryJones Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Um, yeah. But they don’t fill the position need at DT DT market is really hot this off season They have 6 draft picks… Whose to say one of the 2-3 players wouldn’t had been a different DT, that can an actually stay healthy? It’ll be interesting to hear Calais Campbell’s number. If the money is the same, I’d rather have him. 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: All the Bills have to do to create the cap space sign OBJ or trade for Hopkins is simply convert Dawkins and White's contract into a signing bonus. This creates 12.4 million in cap space. True, but then you push money/commitment down the road on those two when both of them just had subpar years in comparison to when they signed those lucrative deals. I feel like Beane hasn’t pulled that lever (yet, at least) for that specific reason. 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, HenryJones said: True, but then you push money/commitment down the road on those two when both of them just had subpar years in comparison to when they signed those lucrative deals. I feel like Beane hasn’t pulled that lever (yet, at least) for that specific reason. True but it may only take one restructure to get it done. Extending players like Daquan Jones and/or Taron Johnson are also options. Quote
GolfandBills Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, NoName said: I felt like we should have signed him for cheaper 3 mil seams a bit much for a guy with less than 3 sacks. 1.5 seems more reasonable. Are you really mad over a million dollar difference in a contract? 😂 Quote
HenryJones Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: True but it may only take one restructure to get it done. Extending players like Daquan Jones and/or Taron Johnson are also options. I would rather they extend Daquan and Taron, before restructuring Dion or Tre. I know they have options to free money up, but think they are overpaying for what Jordan Phillips is and brings to them. Based on the last 3 years, he’ll get them about half a season and a sack per million. I hope I’m wrong and he has 9.5 sacks this year, but I’m skeptical of that happening. I wonder if anyone else was offering him $3m+. It sounds like they may have offered Shaq near the vet min, from some twitter noise I had seen. I’d be disappointed, if I were him. He was much more valuable to us last season than 97. Quote
Doc Brown Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, HenryJones said: I would rather they extend Daquan and Taron, before restructuring Dion or Tre. I know they have options to free money up, but think they are overpaying for what Jordan Phillips is and brings to them. Based on the last 3 years, he’ll get them about half a season and a sack per million. I hope I’m wrong and he has 9.5 sacks this year, but I’m skeptical of that happening. I wonder if anyone else was offering him $3m+. It sounds like they may have offered Shaq near the vet min, from some twitter noise I had seen. I’d be disappointed, if I were him. He was much more valuable to us last season than 97. That 9.5 sacks was an anomaly as the Cardinals found out after giving him that 10 million a year contract. His upside if he stays healthy is worth the three million guaranteed risk imo as he's a big body who can get after the passer as a rotational piece in this defense. He wasn't my first choice as I would've preferred Campbell or Poona Ford but they may have been out of Beane's price range. I still think we add to the DT room in the draft but it's not as glaring as a need. Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Kingsley Jonathan was signed to the roster after the year under a Futures contract. Glad to see him talked about. I have thought that he could make this team as the last Defensive End on the 53 if they decide to not pay Shaq and I don't think he'd bring any less than Epenesa or Basham has. Though I'm still hoping Shaq is brought back under an inexpensive deal. Jonathan definitely has some burst and bend off the edge. Intriguing player. I think there is a lot of rough edges. Against the Bears he was either making a play or not even lining up in the right spot and there wasn't much in between! But I'm glad the Bills are going to try and develop him. He was the #1 overall pick in the CFL draft, he isn't without talent. Just a lot of teaching to do to turn him into a bona fide NFL player. 4 hours ago, HenryJones said: I would rather they extend Daquan and Taron, before restructuring Dion or Tre. I know they have options to free money up, but think they are overpaying for what Jordan Phillips is and brings to them. Based on the last 3 years, he’ll get them about half a season and a sack per million. I hope I’m wrong and he has 9.5 sacks this year, but I’m skeptical of that happening. I wonder if anyone else was offering him $3m+. It sounds like they may have offered Shaq near the vet min, from some twitter noise I had seen. I’d be disappointed, if I were him. He was much more valuable to us last season than 97. Agree with almost all of this, except I don't think they should rush to extend Daquan. He was excellent for us last year but he will be 32 by the time he hits FA after next season, and he didn't have a huge market when he was 30 so I think they are right to take their time and let it play out with him. If they want him back after 2023 I am sure they will be able to make it happen. But they should be conscious "the wall" can't be super far away for him. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, HenryJones said: It’s reported at $3M, up to $4.6M. For that money, you can sign 2-3 Taylor Rapp, Damien Harris, Trent Sherfield type players. Jordan Phillips was good back in 2019. We are in 2023 now and he’s missed 19 games the past 3 seasons, while playing half of last year with one arm after trying to be Superman flying to get an elusive Mac Jones. I love that he loves Buffalo, but that’s about it. That when/if healthy people are referencing is a big when/if. They couldn’t add that on to what they were offering OBJ to seal the deal? How’s that affect the ability to pull off a trade for DHop now? They were already up against the cap. This move does not make a lot of sense from my vantage point. Maybe Oliver is on the block and about to get moved. what DT are you getting for $3m? This move won’t mean squat in relation to what happens to Hopkins… that ship may have already sailed… Edited March 30, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: what DT are you getting for $3m? This move won’t mean squat in relation to what happens to Hopkins… that ship may have already sailed… I could have been had for a lot cheaper then that Quote
CSBill Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 I'm glad he is resigned. When healthy, he brings a lot of juice on the D-line. .... Does this open the door for a Oliver trade??? Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CSBill said: I'm glad he is resigned. When healthy, he brings a lot of juice on the D-line. .... Does this open the door for an Oliver trade??? We currently have the exact same 4 man rotation at DT as last year, so likely no impact on Oliver. Bills need a pass rusher now. Hopefully they can find a cheap veteran. Edited March 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We currently have the exact same 4 man rotation at DT as last year, so likely no impact on Oliver. Bills need a pass rusher now. Hopefully they can find a cheap veteran. A cheap vet will likely beat Oliver out of a job 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We currently have the exact same 4 man rotation at DT as last year, so likely no impact on Oliver. Bills need a pass rusher now. Hopefully they can find a cheap veteran. Exactly, enough with yhe 1-3rs round failures Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said: A cheap vet will likely beat Oliver out of a job We need a veteran edge player. Justin Houston would be great. Won’t affect Oliver. Quote
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