Mike Clay's roster talent evaluation all 32 teams ranked

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

This is a noble attempt to try to quantify the strength of NFL rosters but it is so hard to do.  First off, certain positions are equal and some should be greatly weighted - ie QB.  So you can’t take much away from the overall team scores.  

 

 

Come on---Jets QB is 3.4 out of 4??  lol Who?

[ngbills]

9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya our WR ranking is way too low . We got a top 5 WR and some legit weapons.

How are the Jests almost a point higher? Makes no sense

We have Diggs and guys that anyone outside of Buffalo fans would call avg players. Davis is our #2 and is 4th round pick. Shakir is #3 and is a 5th round pick that has done nothing. Sherfield and Harty are 4&5 and are both take-a-flyer type players. 

[Beck Water]

11 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya our WR ranking is way too low . We got a top 5 WR and some legit weapons.

How are the Jests almost a point higher? Makes no sense

 

Just guessing, but I'm thinking that maybe he doesn't rate Davis that highly and that Harty (who missed a lot of games last season with a foot injury) and Sherfield (who had 1 good season playing behind two top receivers in the league, Hill and Waddle) aren't considered legit as weapons.

 

I'm not saying they can't be or don't have the potential to be, but I think one would have to say they would be assessed as "not proven"

[ngbills]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Come on---Jets QB is 3.4 out of 4??  lol Who?

Seriously. I think its some random guy named Aaron Rodgers? Who is that? He has done nothing to deserve more than a 1.0...

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Come on---Jets QB is 3.4 out of 4??  lol Who?

 

How to tell us you didn't read the OP without telling us you didn't read the OP:

 

"Each of the 10 units are ranked 1-32 based on current rosters (assuming Rodgers on NYJ for now) and weighted based on positional importance"

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Just guessing, but I'm thinking that maybe he doesn't rate Davis that highly and that Harty (who missed a lot of games last season with a foot injury) and Sherfield (who had 1 good season playing behind two top receivers in the league, Hill and Waddle) aren't considered legit as weapons.

 

I'm not saying they can't be or don't have the potential to be, but I think one would have to say they would be assessed as "not proven"

This. Davis has a better year and the bet on Harty and Sherfield works and we are one of the higher-ranked units. But cant base it on hopes and dreams. It is the reality of what these guys are doing right now. And outside of Diggs it is not much. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm not saying there's an agenda, or a problem.  To the contrary - I'm pointing out that expert opinion is usually worthy of respect.

 

I am pointing out that digitizing a subjective opinion doesn't make it empirical

Thank you, there is no one fixed stat that will prove how good a player ultimately is or will be. 

 

Everything is always changing. 

[JerseyBills]

17 minutes ago, ngbills said:

We have Diggs and guys that anyone outside of Buffalo fans would call avg players. Davis is our #2 and is 4th round pick. Shakir is #3 and is a 5th round pick that has done nothing. Sherfield and Harty are 4&5 and are both take-a-flyer type players. 

Davis would likely get a similar contribution to Juju and Jakobi Myers. 3/33 , so technically he's considered a legit WR2 outside of this board

[BBFL]

5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Davis would likely get a similar contribution to Juju and Jakobi Myers. 3/33 , so technically he's considered a legit WR2 outside of this board

Just a sour taste because of the 13secs performance not translating to the expectation for the whole of last season. 
Potential is there to grow into that #2 but shouldn’t be dismissed as he’s definitely a productive target even including his drops and blunders. 
 

Nothing wrong with him as the #3 or #4 on the chart. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by BBFL

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Davis would likely get a similar contribution to Juju and Jakobi Myers. 3/33 , so technically he's considered a legit WR2 outside of this board

Is he tho

 

I can think of a lot of guys I would rather have than Davis rn

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

36 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya our WR ranking is way too low . We got a top 5 WR and some legit weapons.

How are the Jests almost a point higher? Makes no sense

 

Garret wilson loses to Diggs

Lazard and Davis are a wash

 

Then you have Corey Davis, Mims, and Hardman vs.  Harty, Sherfield, Shakir.  

 

Davis has had good seasons but is basically a 500 yard WR at this point, Mims is trash (sub 50% catch rate over 3 years and 30 games), and hardman.

 

Harty has 1 year of production, sherfield is a fringe special teams guy, and shakir was a rookie.  So we'll give the jets the depth edge.  

 

But i still don't see how you have them above Buffalo, let alone an entire point. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

57 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Not true. He’s got Diggs. The WR ranking illustrates exactly how bad the complimentary pieces are though. 

So without Diggs we’d be at ZERO? Come on! Allen is only throwing the ball. He isn’t catching it too. I realize these rankings are subjective but I agree with another poster, these rankings appear to be an opinion in search of a statistic. 

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

He does have tiers in his rankings, QB's, for example, there are none ranked at 3.7 and 3.2 so those are basically tiers. He has Mahomes, Allen and Burrow in the same tier which makes sense IMO. He also has them ranked in that order within the tier which also seems to make sense. The next tier is from 3.6 to 3.3 and is made up of Hurts, Herbert, Rodgers and Lamar in that descending order. The next tier starts at 3.1 with Dak followed by Lawernce, Murray and Watson with a break at 2.7

Gotcha. I didn't see that!

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

Nearly half the offense grade is determined by the QB where the Bengals are significantly higher than Dallas. It really just boils down to that.

No I am going to stop you RIGHT THERE!!! LOL!  I asked you to qualify the Bengals offense positional Value to the Cowboys position of value both being 1.8 offense. The fact is you cant qualify it.. period..

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Seriously. I think its some random guy named Aaron Rodgers? Who is that? He has done nothing to deserve more than a 1.0...

 

59 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

How to tell us you didn't read the OP without telling us you didn't read the OP:

 

"Each of the 10 units are ranked 1-32 based on current rosters (assuming Rodgers on NYJ for now) and weighted based on positional importance"

 

Missed that.  So it's an imaginary number.  Why not pump up the Jets WR score with a little OBJ??

Edited March 24, 2023 by Mr. WEO

[PrimeTime101]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Missed that.  So it's an imaginary number.  Why not pump up the Jets WR score with a little OBJ??

there is all kinds of broken numbers on here

[Straight Hucklebuck]

20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So without Diggs we’d be at ZERO? Come on! Allen is only throwing the ball. He isn’t catching it too. I realize these rankings are subjective but I agree with another poster, these rankings appear to be an opinion in search of a statistic. 

What are we arguing about here? 

 

What singular player rating applies to every player on a team? 

 

Of course people are looking at the numbers, watching the plays, and putting a grade on it.  

 

The Bills media are trumpeting average yards per route for Harty in 2021 as evidence that he can be a breakout player, the Bills thought Tim Settle on a larger snap percentage could extrapolate into more production, can we quantify how much Poyer lost with all the injuries? 

 

No, it's all parts of a picture. 

 

I have no problem with the premise, the approach, the execution or results of what Clay did here. It's not something you print out and laminate and have in your hands as you watch on Sundays, but just like grades handed out after the draft, it's a projection based on everything shown/known so far. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What are we arguing about here? 

 

What singular player rating applies to every player on a team? 

 

Of course people are looking at the numbers, watching the plays, and putting a grade on it.  

 

The Bills media are trumpeting average yards per route for Harty in 2021 as evidence that he can be a breakout player, the Bills thought Tim Settle on a larger snap percentage could extrapolate into more production, can we quantify how much Poyer lost with all the injuries? 

 

No, it's all parts of a picture. 

 

I have no problem with the premise, the approach, the execution or results of what Clay did here. It's not something you print out and laminate and have in your hands as you watch on Sundays, but just like grades handed out after the draft, it's a projection based on everything shown/known so far. 

 

 

Arguing? Okay I guess. 

[DCOrange]

52 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

No I am going to stop you RIGHT THERE!!! LOL!  I asked you to qualify the Bengals offense positional Value to the Cowboys position of value both being 1.8 offense. The fact is you cant qualify it.. period..

Are you asking about how the math actually works or about why Burrow is a 3.8 vs. Dak being a 3.1 and stuff like that?

[Goin Breakdown]

This guys has too much time in his hands. He must not be following the  Drop thread.