How long before a defense coordinator is signed?

[Saxum]

29 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

My inside source says Frazier will be calling the defense plays from his couch at home. 

 

He got lesson from Beane on how to do it without getting caught as he did when he ran Bills draft as assistant GM to Panthers.

[Freddie's Dead]

 

[Beck Water]

11 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

It is possible this move was in the works BEFORE Holcomb got  hired.

Maybe they will let Frazier keep his DC title to save face,and Holcomb can work under HIS title.

 

That’s a really good question.

 

If I were guessing, I would guess “no”, but that the team knew Frazier was working some things out.

 

Some relevant factors:

1) As the coaches and FO evaluated the team, I think it became clear that they were more likely than not to lose Edmunds.  They also knew they could lose Poyer.

2) Frazier has indicated a desire to get a HC gig and frustration at not getting looks this year

3) Based on the “last game highlights where you most need to improve” seems pretty clear OL, WR, and run game have to be top priorities and maybe the defense needs to take a back seat

I expect this was all being worked out up to the week before the combine.

 

If the defense takes a  step back without Edmunds, Frazier might feel that will hurt his case for a HC gig

 

Being fired wouldn’t help his case, but “I need to take a step away for a year” is nicely vague and can have many causes.  it could protect him from responsibility for any drop in defensive performance with Edmunds moving on and maybe lower talent on DL if Miller isn’t ready early in the season or if he and Tre White aren’t back up to par.

 

So in this scenario, the team would know that Frazier wasn’t a happy camper for the reasons above, but wouldn’t know what he was gonna do about it.

 

 

[BigAl2526]

I think developing the game plan will be done by committee with McDermott at its head.  I would guess Holcomb will be in the booth, but McDermott will call the defense.  It will be the McDermott defense, though I expect McDermott will consider tweaks suggested by Holcomb and others on staff.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

I don’t like Eric Washington much but if McD is going to call the defense anyway might as well take advantage of the minority rules and get a couple 3rd rd picks for giving Washington the DC title. Obviously he knows McD system so he should be the guy. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

It depends on how many conditional draft picks Belichick is going to want for him...

Edited March 26, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I don’t like Eric Washington much but if McD is going to call the defense anyway might as well take advantage of the minority rules and get a couple 3rd rd picks for giving Washington the DC title. Obviously he knows McD system so he should be the guy. 

I believe it is only for HC & GM hires.

[The Frankish Reich]

We all assume that this was a polite way for the Bills and Frazier to part ways - he avoids the indignity of being fired and keeps some chance of getting a HC job in the next cycle. But do we know that for sure? Could he be dealing with a difficult health or family situation and the intent is really, actually, seriously for him to come back in 2024? I mean, there’s a chance that a leave of absence is really just a leave of absence. 

[Saxum]

40 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

We all assume that this was a polite way for the Bills and Frazier to part ways - he avoids the indignity of being fired and keeps some chance of getting a HC job in the next cycle. But do we know that for sure? Could he be dealing with a difficult health or family situation and the intent is really, actually, seriously for him to come back in 2024? I mean, there’s a chance that a leave of absence is really just a leave of absence. 

 

You assume that "we all assume that this was a polite way for the Bills and Frazier to part ways" but not all us do.  He has been target of bashers for a long time with lame jokes "Take our DC and give us a draft pick".   There is definitely a chance there is another issue and like Pegulas it will likely stay private.

[Aussie Joe]

I'll say again.. 2024

[MrEpsYtown]

9 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I don’t like Eric Washington much but if McD is going to call the defense anyway might as well take advantage of the minority rules and get a couple 3rd rd picks for giving Washington the DC title. Obviously he knows McD system so he should be the guy. 

 

9 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I believe it is only for HC & GM hires.

Someone else has to hire him as a HC. You can’t promote from within and get picks.
 

Another team has to hire your minority coach to be their HC or GM as Lyndon states. The system is rewarding teams for developing minority coaches and front office people. The team that hires the guy doesn’t get compensation. 

[The Frankish Reich]

19 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

You assume that "we all assume that this was a polite way for the Bills and Frazier to part ways" but not all us do.  He has been target of bashers for a long time with lame jokes "Take our DC and give us a draft pick".   There is definitely a chance there is another issue and like Pegulas it will likely stay private.

Right. Hey, I'm a Frazier defender too!

[Saxum]

15 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Right. Hey, I'm a Frazier defender too!

 

The current Bills are a lot less leaky than previous Bills coaches and staff. 

They could have hired a senior defense assistant and together recrafted defense to counteract how other teams are beating Bills. Leslie Frazier is very respected by the locker room.  This is not like the first batch of coaches Coach McD hired and let go after first year.  There is talent here a rising defense mind could use to continue increasing his reputation.   Frazier did not announce his retirement and while it might be health issues he also might be taking a year looking at college teams to get new ideas on revamping defense but we will not know that until at least fall when appearances of him will be reported on.

[Buffalo_Stampede]