A players perspective on the Bengals game

[Bronxbomber21]

13 hours ago, BBFL said:

Isn’t Taiwan the same guy who spoke candidly about the 13 seconds meltdown and informational errors on the sideline during a podcast appearance?

 

 

YUP. 

I think Taiwan nows he's not going to be hear come week 1

[pocoboy]

14 hours ago, Einstein said:

Excuses.

 

We lost because the Bengals are the better team right now. From coaches to players.

 

I think the Bills and Bengals come out kind of equal when on a level playing field. But the Bills seemed to put it into coast after "avenging" 13 Seconds. Then Von's injury, then Josh's injury, and finally Damar's emergency.

 

I feel that the anguish from the cardiac event had little to do with what actually happened in that playoff loss. The same crap that bogged them down in that game had bogged them down in those first minutes in Cincy. They were not prepared mentally for either game against the Bengals - or at least got rocked on the first drive with Taron getting trucked and the Bengals marching the field unmolested, and then never had the chance to rally together to overcome it.

 

I think the Bills needed that first Bengals game to finish & set the tone for the final weeks. But everything with Damar understandably became more important. Is it likely they never did a full analysis of what was going wrong? Too fresh in memory, too hard to cope watching that footage? I'd say it's likely. And so instead of getting a hard lesson, they got a lesson in life's fragility. 

 

A combo of coming to grips with death + not truly accepting their deficiencies in that first game could explain the deer in the headlights. But there were other glaring issues - footing on the D-Line especially.

Edited March 23, 2023 by pocoboy

[JerseyBills]

You look at Bufs previous 25-30 games and that game sticks out like a sore thumb. No team treated us like that , not 1 that beat us up on both sides of the ball. 

Just a bad day at the office

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

  

 

If you fought Mike Tyson in his prime, you would look uninspired too.

 

It doesn't mean you weren't focused. Or that you were drained before the fight. It would be because he's that much better.

 

We all like to ignore it, but the Bengals were well on their way to blowing us out BEFORE the damar injury. They were up 7-3 and driving with ease again.

 

 

Sorry, man, doesn't make sense. At all. 

 

We DID fight Mike Tyson in his prime. We fought the team that beat the Bengals in the Super Bowl, the Mike Tyson of the NFL last year, the Chiefs. And we kicked ... their ... ass.

 

And as for the Bengals "being well on their way to blowing us out" in the real season game ... again, sorry, that's utter crap. They were ahead by four. In the first quarter. You thinking that is "being well on their way to blowing us out" says a great deal more about what you are desperate to show than it does about reality. Complete crap. 

 

The first shovelful is that you say the Bengals were "driving with ease again." That's ridiculous. They had had two plays on that second drive. Two plays doesn't mean squat. They were at midfield, having started at the 35. They might have had a successful drive. Equally, though, they might not. Two plays isn't "driving with ease again." It's maybe at best having successfully started a drive.

 

The second shovelful is even thinking that they were "well on their way to blowing us out," as you said.

 

By that definition, the Browns were "well on their way to blowing us out." What happened? We won. Patriots were also ahead of us 7-3. What happened? We won. Bears were also ahead by 7 and then by 4 and moving the ball easily. What happened? We won. 

 

And in five other games this year we were behind but came back. Sorry, but this is just dumb. Being behind by four in the first quarter with the other team at midfield isn't in any way a giant probability of "blowing us out." Your hunger to pretend it's so doesn't make it so. That early, the probability of a win for Cincy is probably around 55 -60% Unlike the playoff game, we were still very much in it and the offense looked solid. 

 

In the playoff game, our first drive was a three-and-out. Second drive? A three-and-out.

 

In the canceled game, our first drive was eleven plays long, going from the Buffalo 25 to the Cincy 7. 

 

Two totally different starts, despite your clear eagerness to pretend the two games looked alike.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

35 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

You look at Bufs previous 25-30 games and that game sticks out like a sore thumb. No team treated us like that , not 1 that beat us up on both sides of the ball. 

Just a bad day at the office

Jacksonville they got absolutely manhandled by the worst team in the league

 

[nucci]

I thought it was the snowstorms that caused them to play poorly?

[Bruffalo]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

You called it - it’s a cliff-hanger to get people to subscribe.  Ty Dunne’s thing with “Go Long” is …long articles, so that piece that looks long enough to be an article is actually his intro.  I dunno about “shameless”, it seems like SOP to offer people a sample and see if you can get them to buy a bottle or a hunk of cheese so to speak.

 

I thought Dunne was a very good writer when he was with TBN, and I admire him for coming up with an independent business plan that’s evidently working to make him a living - good for him! But I haven’t been too intrigued by some of his interview choices…early on, he spent a lot of time talking to former Bills FO employees Tom Monos and Doug Whaley (a man who clearly has no ax to grind with the Bills or Sean McDermott) about the state of the Bills, and I just didn’t want to hear it.  I liked parts of his podcast with Isaiah McKenzie but I also felt he kind of ‘used’ McKenzie by drawing him on to maybe say stuff that could get him in trouble with McDermott.  So I haven’t personally been moved to subscribe.

 

??? By the Bye week?  Seriously?  Like, at the point of the season where we thumped the Steelers then beat the Chiefs in a pretty clean game where we had 125 yds rushing, Josh Allen only had 35 of those, 3 TD 0 INT 329 yds passing while picking Mahomes twice?

 

At that point, it was apparent to you that something was not right?

Dunne has a vendetta against the current Bills regime. I don't even think it's debatable.  He's been consistently negative on them since the moment they took over. 

 

That being said, he's not entirely wrong that a philosophy change is warranted. He's just a jerk about it. 

[SoCal Deek]

Well thank goodness we now know they were flat. For months now I’ve been praying that wasn’t the best they had to offer. Phew…that was close! 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

I didn’t forget anything.  

 

Then you purposefully omitted it. Which is even worse than forgetting. It’s being dishonest.

 

1 hour ago, Billl said:

You, however, seem to have forgotten that the 5th round pick went from Baltimore to KC, not the other way around.  

 

No. The 5th round pick went to Baltimore.

 

KC gave up a 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick.

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

I think it’s pretty simple - the players ran out of gas and the gameplan sucked. Both Dorsey and Frazier were completely outmatched. Even if the players came out of the tunnel fired up and ready to go (which they clearly weren’t) I don’t think we win that game with game plan we had on both sides of the ball.

 

That may be true, but the opposite is definitely true..... they could have had the best gameplans in NFL history on both sides of the ball and if they players had come out and played as they did it would not have mattered one iota. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

Sorry, man, doesn't make sense. At all. 

 

We DID fight Mike Tyson in his prime. We fought the team that beat the Bengals in the Super Bowl, the Mike Tyson of the NFL last year, the Chiefs. And we kicked ... their ... ass.

 

I think you mean the Rams. Who beat the Bengals in the SB last year and then we’re awful last season.
 

But it’s the same argument fans keep trying to make so they stay in a state of peaceful denial.
 

Regular season accomplishment's are for the birds. Think about what you just wrote and how sad it is. You’re clinging onto the hope offered by a Week 1 game where we beat up a team that ended up being quite bad.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

IMO, not finishing the Damar Hamlin game had a lot to do with the result of this game. 
 

It seemed to me that the playoff game was just a continuation of what seemed to be happening before DH got hurt. 
 

If we finished that game, and got our asses handed to us, we would’ve come into the playoff game with a different game plan. 
 

I’m not AT ALL saying that we should’ve finished that game. There was no way. 
 

Im just saying that if we were able to finish that game, we would’ve been much better prepared for the playoff rematch

 

I always had the feeling the playoff game should have been in Cincinatti too. In all liklihood, the Bengals were going to beat the Bills on MNF. I feel like both teams sort of felt that way too. The Bengals felt slighted that the game was in Buffalo rather than at their place and i think it may have been in the back of the Bills players minds too. 

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

TJ does have a vested interest in not getting himself fired for calling out his coaches, so what else would anyone expect him to say? It’s a toting the company line stuff, 

Taiwan is currently a free agent so it doesn’t benefit him to cover for the coaches as you suggest

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

But that game was lost by the players on the field who (with a couple of noteable exceptions) played without any energy or desire. 

 

I agree the players lost the game, but an honorable mention must go toward whichever coach made the decision to play 10 yards off the Cinci WR’s.

 

Watching Reid and his coaching staff play press man the following week against those same WR’s was an indictment. 

Still would have lost, but it’s not a good look.

[Billl]

21 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Then you purposefully omitted it. Which is even worse than forgetting. It’s being dishonest.

 

 

No. The 5th round pick went to Baltimore.

 

KC gave up a 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick.

 

You're right.  It was a sixth round pick that went back to Kansas City.  The Chiefs turned picks 31, 94, 136 and a 2022 fifth round pick into Orlando Brown, Nick Bolton, and Trey Smith.  If that's getting fleeced, then sign me up.  It was the draft value equivalent of the 45th overall pick in the draft in exchange for two years of a pro bowl LT who won a Superbowl.  

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

KC gave up a 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick.

 

It was a 1st, 3rd, 4th and future 5th (so discount by a round) for a 2nd and 6th. When equalising it all out by the value chart the trade was worth a mid second rounder.

[thenorthremembers]

Ty Dunne sure does have a pipeline to people who are no longer employed by the Bills.

[Einstein]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It was a 1st, 3rd, 4th and future 5th (so discount by a round) for a 2nd and 6th. 

 

I’m not discounting a draft pick because it was next years instead of this years. It was a 5th round pick.

 

 

[Einstein]

33 minutes ago, Billl said:

You're right.  It was a sixth round pick that went back to Kansas City.  The Chiefs turned picks 31, 94, 136 and a 2022 fifth round pick into Orlando Brown, Nick Bolton, and Trey Smith.  

 

Trey Smith was taken with the pick you got from Carolina. 

 

You can try to rationalize it because KC selected Bolton, but the fact is that they could have taken Bolton with the #31 pick too.

 

In all, KC gave up a 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th in exchange for a medicare LT that gave up 11 pressures in the playoffs a 2nd and a 6th. And they only got that mediocre player for 2 years and one of those years they had to pay him top 5 money.

 

Your own fans at ChiefsPlanet know the trade sucked. There’s a whole thread about it.

There was no “pro bowl quality LT” about it. He’s painfully mediocre and i’m very happy Cinci overpaid him. 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m not discounting a draft pick because it was next years instead of this years. It was a 5th round pick.

 

 

 

Well you are entitled to do what you want but that is how the valuations are worked by teams. 

 

Regardless, no discounting it bumps the overall value of the trade up 1 extra pick. It is still a mid 2nd.

Edited March 23, 2023 by GunnerBill