The Walls be Closing

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Eastmans legal theory was trash. Talk to some lawyers… constitutional lawyers if you can find them. 

That’s kind of the point.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

That's a universal truth and transcends political ideology. 

yes, there is.  You should look harder for it.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I agree.

So simple question. Agree or Disagree: Trump's endorsement of a clearly invalid legal theory that could have kept him in the presidency means that he should never hold that office again.

Slippery slope there. So Biden student loans forgiveness was endorsing an invalid legal theory too. How do you pick which over reach is the right or wrong one. 

 

overreach certainly should be reason not to vote for someone, but barring one from running for election based on criteria outside of the constitution is tricky business and wrought with potential detriment to the institution itself. 
 

irony here is the Republican Party would probably rather trump is disallowed from running again far more than the democrat party. 

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

That’s kind of the point.  

Not kind of, it  IS the point. You can’t have a nearly successful insurrection if the thing the insurrectionists were thinking they were doing wasn’t actually going to succeed legally in any case. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Slippery slope there. So Biden student loans forgiveness was endorsing an invalid legal theory too. How do you pick which over reach is the right or wrong one. 

Not even close to a valid comparison.

Biden announces student loan forgiveness. Courts say not so fast. So they hold off. Supreme Court shoots it down. Biden administration complies but says it is considering a different legal basis for a new loan forgiveness. That's government as usual. It is actually what the Trump Admin did with the so-called "Muslim ban." It was enjoined, they redid it, it was enjoined, then the Supreme Court said it was o.k. as redone.

In the 2020 election case, the courts (including the Supreme Court) had shot down every single legal theory regarding claimed election fraud but the Trump administration continued to proceed by using intimidation and every cynical parliamentary tactic to undo the results.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

26 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It would be like a medical doctor trumpeting HCQ and/or Ivermectin as a viable treatment/treatments for COVID.  You’d be viewed as a toxic moron. 

You know what they call the person who graduates last in his class from the worst foreign med school...?

Edited July 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Hey. Look everyone. It's an Internet tough guy.

I'm sorry you're so frustrated by the discussion that you had no option but to insult, but that's what those who can't keep up are forced to do.

Enjoy living in the cult. 

If it loses, your life will be for the better despite your hope to live under a dictator.

If it wins, you'll be stunned by what you once rooted for.

You write lots of words and say nothing coherent.

Again and again........ 

Edit: I neglected to mention the irony of your talking of violence as the way to achieve your goals, much like Trump supporters at the Capitol. If you guys win, perhaps you'll be up for a job as a Camp guard.

Classic.  You lob insults about being in a cult and intellect, but wilt when confronted with an honest reply in kind.  How shocking. 

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say with your edit.  What's truly ironic is that you thought you were making sense.  

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Simple question: Did Joe Biden lying to the American public during a presidential debate about his personal knowledge of his son’s business dealings make him ineligible to hold the office? Yes….it did. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Simple question: Did Joe Biden lying to the American public during a presidential debate about his personal knowledge of his son’s business dealings make him ineligible to hold the office? Yes….it did. 

Again, remains to be determined.

I am saying something very basic. It doesn't apply to DeSantis, Haley, Scott, Pence ... anyone else, including Biden.

There is ONE guy in American history who tried to hold onto the Presidency despite being voted out of office, who tried to use all means - including extra-legal means - to extend his presidency when he had no right to do so. It is simply not comparable to any of the other shenanigans engaged in by politicians of all stripes. He is unique, and uniquely unsuited to ever hold that office again.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

as I recall, Jack Kemp was a prominent Republican, even considered for president.  Great guy and pretty good QB.  Why would a D party loyalist choose his name?  It would be analogous to me using the screen name "Beasley".

Oh, you're actually a redtail hawk?  Interesting.  🥱

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Simple question: Did Joe Biden lying to the American public during a presidential debate about his personal knowledge of his son’s business dealings make him ineligible to hold the office? Yes….it did. 

 

 

eligibility criteria is and only is; 

 

over 35

natural born us citizen 

Resident in county for 14 years. 
 

lairs and felons can run

Edited July 20, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

 

eligibility criteria is and only is; 

 

over 35

natural born us citizen 

Resident in county for 14 years. 
 

lairs and felons can run

I'm not saying "is constitutionally eligible to assume the presidency." I am saying that as a practical matter a man who refused to relinquish power despite having no accepted argument as to why he wasn't required to relinquish power should not ever be elected president again. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

39 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Who’s defending anything?? 
 

The very simple argument is no matter what orange man said, pence didn’t have legal constitutional authority to overturn election… so all this handwringing about a nearly successful insurrection is laughably naive and frankly quite funny….

 

So much fear in the hearts of the easily manipulated. 

I've been called a cultist for speaking out against 1/6 rioters, in support of the officer who shot an unarmed citizen and killed her, and in support of Mike Pence doing the right thing. 

 

These are some twisted sisters here for sure. 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Oh, you're actually a redtail hawk?  Interesting.  🥱

I'd vote for Jack Kemp over anyone in the field in 2024.  It's called pragmatism and honor.

Edited July 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Video SHOWS Two MI GOP Electors Explaining Why They Cast A “Back Up Slate” of Electoral Votes in 2020 Election

—Blows Up Fake Case by Activist Democrat AG Dana Nessel Against Them

by Patty McMurray

 

Instead of investigating what looks an awful lot like voter fraud at drop boxes across Detroit, the vindictive AG, who won her first election when legalized marijuana was on the ballot and her re-election when abortion was on the ballot, was, instead, laser-focused on taking down two of President Trump’s most effective advocates in the state of Michigan, the former MI GOP co-chair Meshawn Maddock and grassroots leader and MI GOP Grassroots Vice Chair Marian Sheridan. Both women are fearless and outspoken patriots and, along with their MCC (Michigan Conservative Coalition) group, were largely responsible for Trump’s Michigan victory in 2020.

 

 

After AG Nessel, whose case against the MI electors she sent to fellow radical AG Garland to investigate, apparently fell flat, she was left with no option but to start her own witch hunt. Her goal, of course, is to cause the MI GOP electors and vocal Trump supporters as much public pain as possible. Democrats in positions of power are now using lawfare against their political enemies to humiliate and financially devastate them. Their plot is accomplished by filing bogus or manufactured claims against them, and then they sit back and watch while the government pays their legal fees. 

 

The  video shown below reveals the hypocrisy of AG Dana Nessel, who’s determined to take down the entire group of 16 GOP electors. Part of the video was taken at a press conference before the certification of the 2020 election. It showed MI GOP electors Marian Sheridan and Meshawn Maddock explaining in detail why they wanted to cast alternate electoral votes for President Trump. They were clearly not hiding what they were doing and were surrounded by lawyers and MI State lawmakers.

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/video-shows-two-mi-gop-electors-explaining-why/

 

 

This is another go-nowhere political stunt designed to fool the ignorant masses of the fantasy that something nefarious happened.

Typical behavior for tyrannical governments such as the USSR, DDR and the banana Republic that was once known as the United States.

 

 

 

 

Why did the fake electors refer to themselves as fake electors?

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I'd vote for Jack Kemp over anyone in the field in 2024.

Paul Ryan, who is pretty close to Jack Kemp 2.0, is now derided as a "RINO." That's where the Republican Party has gone.

[Kemp]

48 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

The video of lib lunatics attempting to attack the White House and being cheered on by the media.  
 

And Democrats along with the media and Hollywood trash calling for electors to not verify the 2016 election - complete with a running countdown before Trump took office and life as you know it would be over - actually that did happen because the entire anti Trump establishment let China attack us with the flu and watch us lose our minds because they knew you hated Trump so badly for reasons still unclear that you’d wear a face diaper and stay 6 feet apart indefinitely

 

 

 

But carry on.  
 

 

 

 

You seem to not understand the difference between actors asking people to flip their votes and people attempting to overthrow a democracy.

It's pretty simple stuff. 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Why did the fake electors refer to themselves as fake electors?

Right. 

And the contrast is with Ohio, where their fake electors (apparently actually listening to a lawyer, imagine that) put in a bunch of disclaimers, asserting that they are putting themselves forth as electors in the event that the "official" slate is rejected. Michigan? No such thing. They asserted in official filings that they are the duly elected electors of the State of Michigan.

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Some serious talent there 😄

yeah.  Like Cindy. got throat cancer and had to re-invent his brand.  

 

Eff, thats the original guy from house of pain, jump around. barely has a voice left.

 

 

[Kemp]

23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Classic.  You lob insults about being in a cult and intellect, but wilt when confronted with an honest reply in kind.  How shocking. 

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say with your edit.  What's truly ironic is that you thought you were making sense.  

 

 

 

You really don't know what a cult is?

You believe Republicans are standing up for policies and beliefs rather than aligning behind one man?

Remember when Republicans said they stood for small government and less spending, yet under Trump did the exact opposite.

Do you remember what the official Republican platform was before the election?

They didn't have one.

Please explain how a party can have no platform, other than backing one man and then explain how that's not a cult.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

You really don't know what a cult is?

You believe Republicans are standing up for policies and beliefs rather than aligning behind one man?

Remember when Republicans said they stood for small government and less spending, yet under Trump did the exact opposite.

Do you remember what the official Republican platform was before the election?

They didn't have one.

Please explain how a party can have no platform, other than backing one man and then explain how that's not a cult.

You are the thread starter.  This is getting pretty ugly.  Maybe you should call the game under the Mercy Rule.

Edited July 20, 2023 by redtail hawk