The Walls be Closing

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

I'm fine with the insults I really just am trying to grasp his thoughts processes here

 

So far, from what I gather, he is saying "Trump bad" 

its just puking a conspiracy that was destroyed by the fact there was an American interpreter that was questioned by authorities.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TSOL]

Whatever happened to @Kemp? I know he only responds in his own thread 

 

 

[Kemp]

19 hours ago, TSOL said:

@Kemp

 

Ok, I found some info on the interpreter 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/summit-secret-happened-helsinki-putin-trump/story?id=78273344

 

"The Biden administration is looking forward, not back," said House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y., whose panel once considered subpoenaing Trump’s interpreter to testify about his July 2018 meeting with Putin in Helsinki, Finland, where only an American interpreter was also present.

 

So it seems it was an American interpreter, 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok now we're really making some progress 

 

 

Honestly, what is your issue with this now? It proves that Trump is.... (Fil in the blank)

 

I am honestly confused by the interpreter story.

 

Was it reported wrongly at the time or did I get the story wrong?

[TSOL]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

I am honestly confused by the interpreter story.

 

Was it reported wrongly at the time or did I get the story wrong?

 

 

I'm honestly not trying to be sarcastic at all, I just think that it's really unheard of for an American president to meet with authoritarian leaders like Putin and Kim Jung whatever-his-name. I really don't think he secretly conspired with them to undermine America or democracy. I think he was trying to do something no other president was able to do in having some open lines of communication. 

 

The interpretor was nearly subpoenaed to give the transcript of the conversation, but that was clearly politically motivated by the left who didn't trust/ didn't want to trust Trump. It was an attack to diminish his accomplishments in meeting with these leaders. 

 

But the left backed off  the subpoena  probably because it didn't make political sense for them 

 

I just don't see how Trump meeting with these leaders is some indictment of him being a dictator 

[Kemp]

44 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

I'm honestly not trying to be sarcastic at all, I just think that it's really unheard of for an American president to meet with authoritarian leaders like Putin and Kim Jung whatever-his-name. I really don't think he secretly conspired with them to undermine America or democracy. I think he was trying to do something no other president was able to do in having some open lines of communication. 

 

The interpretor was nearly subpoenaed to give the transcript of the conversation, but that was clearly politically motivated by the left who didn't trust/ didn't want to trust Trump. It was an attack to diminish his accomplishments in meeting with these leaders. 

 

But the left backed off  the subpoena  probably because it didn't make political sense for them 

 

I just don't see how Trump meeting with these leaders is some indictment of him being a dictator 

 

It's not the meeting part that bothers some of us.

It's his constant praise of dictators and his constant derision of non-dictaors.

The worst part was his taking the word of Putin over his own advisors.

Can't you admit that if a Democrat President did that, that Republicans woud want that guy tossed out of office?

[TSOL]

7 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

It's not the meeting part that bothers some of us.

It's his constant praise of dictators and his constant derision of non-dictaors.

The worst part was his taking the word of Putin over his own advisors.

Can't you admit that if a Democrat President did that, that Republicans woud want that guy tossed out of office?

 

 

I get Trumps mentality, it's a "keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type of thing. 

 

Democrats have different mentality in my view. Trump is clearly like an old fashioned hard-a$$ type. I get that, I can relate with that. 

 

Democrats are more the smile and lie to you types. We can all agre, I think, that politicians are pretty sleazy, Trump just does it to your face where a Biden tries to be sneaky behind your back about it. 

 

Again, me personally, I can better relate to the "right to your face" approach 

[Kemp]

5 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

I get Trumps mentality, it's a "keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type of thing. 

 

Democrats have different mentality in my view. Trump is clearly like an old fashioned hard-a$$ type. I get that, I can relate with that. 

 

Democrats are more the smile and lie to you types. We can all agre, I think, that politicians are pretty sleazy, Trump just does it to your face where a Biden tries to be sneaky behind your back about it. 

 

Again, me personally, I can better relate to the "right to your face" approach 

 

Taking the word of Putin over your own advisors is not being a hardass.

If a Dem had done that, what would have been the reaction of Republicans?

If a Dem had done things like praise attackers of the Capitol, or create fake electors in the hopes of reversing election results, or threaten a government official with retaliation if they didn't find votes to make him the winner etc,. what would your reaction be?

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

or create fake electors

A reminder: when the Michigan Republicans did this, they actually referred to the bogus slate as "fake electors."

No one was even pretending that there was a legitimate purpose.

"Fake electors." That's how cynical and illegal the whole scheme was.

 

 

[wnyguy]

6 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Taking the word of Putin over your own advisors is not being a hardass.

If a Dem had done that, what would have been the reaction of Republicans?

If a Dem had done things like praise attackers of the Capitol, or create fake electors in the hopes of reversing election results, or threaten a government official with retaliation if they didn't find votes to make him the winner etc,. what would your reaction be?

Wait a second, he threatened retaliation to a government official? When was that?

[TSOL]

34 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Taking the word of Putin over your own advisors is not being a hardass.

If a Dem had done that, what would have been the reaction of Republicans?

If a Dem had done things like praise attackers of the Capitol, or create fake electors in the hopes of reversing election results, or threaten a government official with retaliation if they didn't find votes to make him the winner etc,. what would your reaction be?

 

 

I would vilify the crap.outya them... Lol 

[Kemp]

26 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Wait a second, he threatened retaliation to a government official? When was that?

 

You don't know about this?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-arts-and-entertainment-elections-georgia-2b27f4c92919556bf6548117648693b7

 

During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
 

“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”

Before you try and tell me that that isn't a threat, please tell me that if your boss at work said that to you, you wouldn't consider it a threat. If you do say that, you're lying.

Now imagine the most powerful man in America said that to you and tell me that's not a threat.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

You don't know about this?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-arts-and-entertainment-elections-georgia-2b27f4c92919556bf6548117648693b7

 

During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
 

“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”

Before you try and tell me that that isn't a threat, please tell me that if your boss at work said that to you, you wouldn't consider it a threat. If you do say that, you're lying.

Now imagine the most powerful man in America said that to you and tell me that's not a threat.

And that's why the Kanye associate is charged too.

They (so the indictment charges) sent her, a black woman, out to similarly intimidate a black election worker wrongly accused of counting fabricated ballots.

Again, subject to proof at trial, but this was the mafia style intimidation used by the campaign to use the power of the president's control of the Justice Department to try to make state officials engage in corrupt acts.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

You don't know about this?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-arts-and-entertainment-elections-georgia-2b27f4c92919556bf6548117648693b7

 

During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
 

“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”

Before you try and tell me that that isn't a threat, please tell me that if your boss at work said that to you, you wouldn't consider it a threat. If you do say that, you're lying.

Now imagine the most powerful man in America said that to you and tell me that's not a threat.

Oh I see it now, failing to count legal votes and tossing out illegal ones might be an illegal action in some universe, just not this one.

[Kemp]

8 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

Oh I see it now, failing to count legal votes and tossing out illegal ones might be an illegal action in some universe, just not this one.

 

So, the 60 something lawsuits that made these types of claims that all failed, even in front of judges appointed by Trump, ruled incorrectly?

Since Trump, Rudy etc,. couldn't come up with that proof, they sure could have used your help, since you are in possession of this proof.

The question is, why didn't you help them out?

[wnyguy]

42 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

So, the 60 something lawsuits that made these types of claims that all failed, even in front of judges appointed by Trump, ruled incorrectly?

Since Trump, Rudy etc,. couldn't come up with that proof, they sure could have used your help, since you are in possession of this proof.

The question is, why didn't you help them out?

I had a leg cramp.

[Kemp]

Rudy is knee-deep in shiite:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4178903-giuliani-loses-georgia-election-worker-defamation-suit-by-default-judge-rules/

[BillStime]

 

[Kemp]

Proud Boys and Girls

[49er Fan]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

Rudy is knee-deep in shiite:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4178903-giuliani-loses-georgia-election-worker-defamation-suit-by-default-judge-rules/

Well at least Rudy foreshadowed himself “being made a fool of”:

 

”Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there.”

[Kemp]