The Walls be Closing

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

It's the law! And like it or not, it's malitable. Like speed limits. No one gets tickets when they violate the law by going over a mile and hour or two...or three...or four...

 

That's how the world works. Try catching up, will you?

It is the law, and politics or no politics, you're probably not gonna get prosecuted for these things if you just lay low and run your little scams and grifts. But when you're out there bragging about how rich you are and rubbing the AG's nose in it with a Queens style "whatcha gonna do about it," well, sometimes they're gonna do something about it.

[aristocrat]

13 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

so the banks caused trump to be a fraud?  did you lose your home?  Did you take out a mortgage you couldn't afford?  cuz lots of foreclosures were on high risk mortgages that I agree, should not have been made by the banks.   But that doesn't absolve the borrowers and it certainly doesn't absolve trump.  When will you MAGA's learn that 2 wrongs don't make a right?  Didn't your parents teach you that?

The banks have ever Ivy League school employee working for them. They didn’t have to accept his appraisals. They can say no but they wanted his business. He didn’t default on the loan. The bank did their own appraisal and accepted his as well. To me that makes them liable to the fraud as well. Why aren’t they being charged?

[Wacka]

10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

 

Because of this, they get their money from overseas banks, like Deutsche Bank, that have less stringent lending requirements (Deutsche Bank has been in trouble for laundering mob money in the past). These types of banks are willing to look the other way if they think they can get away with it.

 

And the Biden  Mafia (sorry for slandering the Mafia) uses Ukrainian  businesses and the CCP for $, 10% for the Big Guy!

Edited September 28, 2023 by Wacka

[Kemp]

10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

That’s an interesting take since it Seems their core philosophy is much more aligned with sustaining a herd, especially religious conservatives. I mean monogamy, pro life, heteronormative, community… that’s got a much more sustainable evolutionary path forward than, gender alterations, non-heteronormism, abortions and individualism. 
 

I mean put a bunch of liberated homosexuals, and non patriarchal feminists on island 1 and the bunch of religious conservatives and pro lifers on an island 2. 
 

Which new civilization are you expecting last longer? 

 

 

You addressed only culture issues.

 

The core of Conservatism has always been small government and less spending. Trump turned that upside down and the Republicans followed him.

 

Is that not true?

 

Who in Congress still believes in those things?

[ChiGoose]

46 minutes ago, Wacka said:

And the Biden  Mafia (sorry for slandering the Mafia) uses Ukrainian  businesses and the CCP for $, 10% for the Big Guy!

And the unicorns in Narnia use the carebear stare to keep the Loch Ness monster at bay!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

56 minutes ago, Wacka said:

And the Biden  Mafia (sorry for slandering the Mafia) uses Ukrainian  businesses and the CCP for $, 10% for the Big Guy!

 

9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

And the unicorns in Narnia use the carebear stare to keep the Loch Ness monster at bay!

 

unicorns is probably the second most feasible explanation for a career civil servant with modest 6 figure salary that is now worth tens of Millions along with individual family members. 
 

Is it you don’t care about corruption if they are the right party, or too dumb to connect the ***** obvious dots? 
 

 

 

I think it’s the former 

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

 

unicorns is probably the second most feasible explanation for a career civil servant with modest 6 figure salary that is now worth tens of Millions along with individual family members. 
 

Is it you don’t care about corruption if they are the right party, or too dumb to connect the ***** obvious dots? 
 

 

 

I think it’s the former 

Basically every member of Congress got rich while in Congress. It’s something that shouldn’t be allowed and I would love for it not to happen. 
 

But the fever swamp dreams of the most gullible people in the world isn’t good evidence of illegality. 

[SectionC3]

8 hours ago, aristocrat said:

The banks have ever Ivy League school employee working for them. They didn’t have to accept his appraisals. They can say no but they wanted his business. He didn’t default on the loan. The bank did their own appraisal and accepted his as well. To me that makes them liable to the fraud as well. Why aren’t they being charged?

Hoax.  "The banks" aren't responsible for discovering someone's fraud.  The "someone" (in this case, Trump) is responsible for not committing fraud.  

[Tommy Callahan]

10 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

It is the law, and politics or no politics, you're probably not gonna get prosecuted for these things if you just lay low and run your little scams and grifts. But when you're out there bragging about how rich you are and rubbing the AG's nose in it with a Queens style "whatcha gonna do about it," well, sometimes they're gonna do something about it.

IF that's what happened, why when he is running for office vs the last few decades?

 

Timing isn't helping the optics.

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

11 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Basically every member of Congress got rich while in Congress. It’s something that shouldn’t be allowed and I would love for it not to happen. 
 

But the fever swamp dreams of the most gullible people in the world isn’t good evidence of illegality. 

 

The naivete of you liberals is astounding.  Or willful ignorance.  Neither is a good look.

 

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  "The banks" aren't responsible for discovering someone's fraud.  The "someone" (in this case, Trump) is responsible for not committing fraud.  

 

Banks and insurance companies are responsible for verifying information being given to them, especially by businessmen (who rank a close 3rd in being the biggest liars after pols and lawyers).

[Warcodered]

On 9/27/2023 at 6:36 AM, Chris farley said:

Its Wednesday September 27th and the walls are still standing.

 

 

Still not understanding the concept of court dates?

On 9/27/2023 at 6:59 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said:

so it's the NYT 's fault he's a liar, cheat and sexual abuser and found in separate court rulings to be each of those?

 

btw, the AP agrees but you know, to MAGA's they're all the liars and trump is the second coming...

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-letitia-james-fraud-lawsuit-1569245a9284427117b8d3ba5da74249

 

Engoron found that Trump consistently overvalued Mar-a-Lago, inflating its value on one financial statement by as much as 2,300%. The judge also rebuked Trump for lying about the size of his Manhattan apartment. Trump claimed his three-story Trump Tower penthouse was nearly three times its actual size, valuing it at $327 million. 

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” Engoron wrote.

On X in the wake of the ruling, Eric Trump insisted his father’s claims about Mar-a-Lago were correct, writing that the Palm Beach estate is “speculated to be worth well over a billion dollars making it arguably the most valuable residential property in the country.” He called the ruling and the lawsuit “an attempt to destroy my father and kick him out of New York.”

Under the ruling, limited liability companies that control some of Trump’s key properties, such as 40 Wall Street, will be dissolved and authority over how to run them handed over to a receiver. Trump would lose his authority over whom to hire or fire, whom to rent office space to, and other key decisions.

 

They should hire Arnold.

23 hours ago, Chris farley said:

No jury, no due process

 

just a very partisan judge coupled with a partisan DA.

 

 

The reason there wasn't a jury is because his lawyer didn't check a box for it, and if that sounds like a stupid thing a lawyer shouldn't ever screw up, that's because it is. She's also his lawyer on a different case that she's also screwed up on.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Warcodered

[Tommy Callahan]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Still not understanding the concept of court dates?

we all understand and see the partisan witch hunt and media narrative you hold as the golden rule.

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

This speech to NONUNION members last night was  telling.  Seems pretty cynical and uninspiring.  "This strike isn't important cuz you're all going to be out of work from EV's" isn't what they want to hear.  Or what factory workers in general want to hear.  He may be correct but eliminating an EV law won't solve their problem.  They'll just be made elsewhere in foreign plants if he does that.  Is he going to outlaw buying EV's?  Good stuff starts at 43 min.  watch his body language....

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?530700-1/president-trump-holds-rally-detroit

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

The reason there wasn't a jury is because his lawyer didn't check a box for it, and if that sounds like a stupid thing a lawyer shouldn't ever screw up, that's because it is.

And many litigants chose a trial before a judge ("bench trial") instead of before a jury. Particularly with this type of thing - financial crimes - if you think you have a strong case you want a trained lawyer/judge to be assessing the evidence rather than a bunch of unknown/wildcard jurors. So it's often a tactical choice even if you do have the right to a jury trial. (Note that the federal constitution gives you that right in a civil case in federal court, but that doesn't apply to states unless their individual constitutions have a similar right. I don't know about NY)

[Pokebball]

11 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  "The banks" aren't responsible for discovering someone's fraud.  The "someone" (in this case, Trump) is responsible for not committing fraud.  

OMB and FDIC come down pretty damn hard if banks don't have qualified appraisals supporting their lending decisions.

[Tiberius]

[Joe Ferguson forever]

37 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

OMB and FDIC come down pretty damn hard if banks don't have qualified appraisals supporting their lending decisions.

pretty sure Deutsche bank faced some scrutiny if not penalties.

 

very nice people

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/deutsche-bank-subsidiary-to-pay-25m-for-anti-money-laundering-violations/3000884#:~:text=A Deutsche Bank subsidiary has,Commission (SEC) announced Monday.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[SectionC3]

48 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

OMB and FDIC come down pretty damn hard if banks don't have qualified appraisals supporting their lending decisions.

Sure.   But that doesn’t mean the banks are charged with rooting out fraud.  What you’re suggesting — that Trump face no liability because someone else didn’t timely discover his fraud — actually ENCOURAGES the practice.  A stupid idea if ever there was one. 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Sure.   But that doesn’t mean the banks are charged with rooting out fraud.  What you’re suggesting — that Trump face no liability because someone else didn’t timely discover his fraud — actually ENCOURAGES the practice.  A stupid idea if ever there was one. 

These idiots apply that same logic with January 6.

 

Its everyone else’s fault that the Capitol wasn’t secure - not the guy who told them to storm it

 

 

[Pokebball]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Sure.   But that doesn’t mean the banks are charged with rooting out fraud.  What you’re suggesting — that Trump face no liability because someone else didn’t timely discover his fraud — actually ENCOURAGES the practice.  A stupid idea if ever there was one. 

I'm suggesting that real estate values that collateralize a loan are based on qualified appraisals from a preapproved appraiser chosen by the bank, not from the borrower. Now if Trump claimed he had two children when he only had one, yeah he lied on his loan application.