Bigvinny Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 Trade down to 44 with Falcons , pick up 113 and 2024 2nd. 44. Jack Campbell LB Iowa trade 59. Darnell Washington TE Georgia 91. Joe Tippmann OC Wisconsin 113. Tyler Steen OT Alabama trade 130. Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss 137. Moro Ojomo DT Texas 205. Thomas Incoom EDGE Central Michigan 2024 ATL 2nd 1 Quote
LyndonvilleBill Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 When you get tired of messing with the OL.😄 1 Quote
fmr60 Posted April 9, 2023 Posted April 9, 2023 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: When you get tired of messing with the OL.😄 Nice, if it could work that way. Quote
Chaos Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 I don't this could happen, but if we could get Wright and Washington on this offense, I think we would be unstoppable Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 On 3/20/2023 at 5:08 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: Give me Sam Laporta the Iowa TE at 59 and I can dig it. Why? We already have a very good TE we don't use. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why? We already have a very good TE we don't use. Because a.) Knox is good, but not great. He has a number of frustrating drops. And b.) We have nothing else there. If we want to run 2 TE sets, it would be good to have another solid TE. And if Knox gets hurt, we're pretty much nowhere. 1 1 Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Because a.) Knox is good, but not great. He has a number of frustrating drops. And b.) We have nothing else there. If we want to run 2 TE sets, it would be good to have another solid TE. And if Knox gets hurt, we're pretty much nowhere. Exactly we literally have no TEs after Knox if Dawson is down for any length of time we are up the creek. Quote
Chaos Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why? We already have a very good TE we don't use. We use Knox extensively and effectively in the red zone. We don't need to use him between the 20's. We literally had the fewest punts in the league last year. Knox has been used more in playoffs and has been suffessful for us in the playoffs. Personally I think Darnell Washington at TE would allow knox to become a Jimmy Graham type TE (ie quasi-wr). And knox becomes weapon 2, if not WR2. Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Because a.) Knox is good, but not great. He has a number of frustrating drops. And b.) We have nothing else there. If we want to run 2 TE sets, it would be good to have another solid TE. And if Knox gets hurt, we're pretty much nowhere. Knox leads our team in catch % (even better than Diggs), and he has 15 TD's in the last 2 years despite only seeing an average of 68 targets over the last 2 years. If we just gave him more a slight bump in targets he would be a top 5 TE in the NFL statistically as a perennial 800+ yard and 10 TD guy. Kelce for example has 2.5x times more targets than Knox does annually averaging about 100 targets more per season than Knox sees. Give Knox 120+ targets and he is well over 1000 yards and double digit TD's. Kelce had 165 targets this year. So, I don't understand how people knock our own guy Knox as if he isn't coming through when given chances. You can't catch what isn't thrown at you, and the reason he isn't getting targets is not because he isn't good enough to get them. It's because they have used him more as an extra blocker with our depleted offensive line. And it doesn't matter how often fans mention "running 2 TE sets", its never going to be a thing in a Josh Allen led offense. We run a high octane down field attack, and that isn't changing anytime soon with Allen. So these 2 TE sets people keep bringing up are never going to be a focal point of our offense. You want more TE production, then fix the OL so Knox can get more targets. A 2nd TE isn't going to get many targets in our offense. And draft a TE later, don't waste an early pick for a depth player behind a starter. We don't need to get his backup in the 1st or 2nd round, we need significant contributors with our early picks. 39 minutes ago, Chaos said: We use Knox extensively and effectively in the red zone. We don't need to use him between the 20's. We literally had the fewest punts in the league last year. Knox has been used more in playoffs and has been suffessful for us in the playoffs. Personally I think Darnell Washington at TE would allow knox to become a Jimmy Graham type TE (ie quasi-wr). And knox becomes weapon 2, if not WR2. Darnell Washington is the only TE that makes some sense because you are drafting him to be a 6th offensive lineman. But the Bills just don't run many 2 TE sets to begin with, I would rather see them invest in the OL and let Knox release more. Edited April 10, 2023 by Alphadawg7 Quote
Chaos Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Darnell Washington is the only TE that makes some sense because you are drafting him to be a 6th offensive lineman. But the Bills just don't run many 2 TE sets to begin with, I would rather see them invest in the OL and let Knox release more Washington is much more than the 6th olinemen. The passer rating when he was targeted last year was 105, better than Michael Mayer. I have this minor fantasy of people imagining he is staying into to block and instead releases to an wide open easy catch the way Kelce seems to be able too. And as I said, the way the Saints use Graham early in his career was not really even as a tight end. I think the skils for washington and knox, would allow for a lot of creativity. Edited April 10, 2023 by Chaos Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 10, 2023 Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Knox leads our team in catch % (even better than Diggs), and he has 15 TD's in the last 2 years despite only seeing an average of 68 targets over the last 2 years. If we just gave him more a slight bump in targets he would be a top 5 TE in the NFL statistically as a perennial 800+ yard and 10 TD guy. Kelce for example has 2.5x times more targets than Knox does annually averaging about 100 targets more per season than Knox sees. Give Knox 120+ targets and he is well over 1000 yards and double digit TD's. Kelce had 165 targets this year. So, I don't understand how people knock our own guy Knox as if he isn't coming through when given chances. You can't catch what isn't thrown at you, and the reason he isn't getting targets is not because he isn't good enough to get them. It's because they have used him more as an extra blocker with our depleted offensive line. And it doesn't matter how often fans mention "running 2 TE sets", its never going to be a thing in a Josh Allen led offense. We run a high octane down field attack, and that isn't changing anytime soon with Allen. So these 2 TE sets people keep bringing up are never going to be a focal point of our offense. You want more TE production, then fix the OL so Knox can get more targets. A 2nd TE isn't going to get many targets in our offense. And draft a TE later, don't waste an early pick for a depth player behind a starter. We don't need to get his backup in the 1st or 2nd round, we need significant contributors with our early picks. Darnell Washington is the only TE that makes some sense because you are drafting him to be a 6th offensive lineman. But the Bills just don't run many 2 TE sets to begin with, I would rather see them invest in the OL and let Knox release more. Knox is a good Tight End that we pay like a Top 5 TE. I think Knox is decent. But he's not a Game Changer. It seems like for every "wow!" low percentage catch he somehow manages to pull in against all odds, he has another high percentage catch hit him right in the hands that he drops. I don't think fans who don't think that he's on the level of Kelce and Kittle are "knocking" him. Nor is the idea we should get another TE in here on his level a knock on him. I like Dawson. But there's a good percentage of teams that run 2TE packages. I think that was the plan when we signed OJ Howard. It just didn't work out. Having 2 TE's at a high level would allow us to run 2TE packages. It would keep both Dawson and he fresh when only 1 TE is on the field. And Dawson may be good, but what happens if he gets hurt? Josh needs more reliable pass catchers at the ready. Another TE provides that and it gives us insurance if Dawson gets dinged up. As good as you think he is, we have to have someone solid with him and he can't be on the field every single play. Edited April 10, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote
nosejob Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/9/2023 at 11:17 AM, Bigvinny said: Trade down to 44 with Falcons , pick up 113 and 2024 2nd. 44. Jack Campbell LB Iowa trade 59. Darnell Washington TE Georgia 91. Joe Tippmann OC Wisconsin 113. Tyler Steen OT Alabama trade 130. Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss 137. Moro Ojomo DT Texas 205. Thomas Incoom EDGE Central Michigan 2024 ATL 2nd Excellent draft, but 17 spots for that? Do Grady Jarrett come with that? Quote
aristocrat Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 54. Jack Campbell LB Iowa 59. Josh Downs WR North Carolina 91. Matthew Bergeron OT Syracuse 92. Luke Wypler OC Ohio State RB A.Ekeler 2024 KC 2nd there were a few trades. Quote
ScorpionZero Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 MDD traded back to gain better value in selecting Campbell while getting some extra picks, as we should trade back no further than 36-40 if we want a shot at getting Jack. 35 Jack Campbell LB | Iowa TRADE 59 Antonio Johnson S | Texas A&M 79 Tucker Kraft TE | South Dakota State TRADE 91 Tyler Scott WR | Cincinnati 130 Roschon Johnson RB | Texas 137 Jarrett Patterson IOL | Notre Dame 176 Moro Ojomo DL | Texas TRADE Quote
dorquemada Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/9/2023 at 11:17 AM, Bigvinny said: Trade down to 44 with Falcons , pick up 113 and 2024 2nd. 44. Jack Campbell LB Iowa trade 59. Darnell Washington TE Georgia 91. Joe Tippmann OC Wisconsin 113. Tyler Steen OT Alabama trade 130. Jonathan Mingo WR Ole Miss 137. Moro Ojomo DT Texas 205. Thomas Incoom EDGE Central Michigan 2024 ATL 2nd I'd be very happy with this SEC centric draft! get beane on the horn, quick! Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 If the Bills don't take Campbell....half of these mocks are ruined haha! Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 Traded up in the 2nd. RG & RT huge upgrades. 2 dynamic pass catchers Quote
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