Tommy Callahan Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) Hmm. More like state sponsored mass murder for TV ratings. Crazy how 99% of the politicians and for profit media sold that crap as kosher. And 20 years later not one emergency action from post 9/11, has been ended, by either party. But at least back then the lefts base talked about being antiwar, antiestablishment, anti-surveillance state, anti corporations buying politicians, anti PAC. Like Taibbi and Greenwood. the ones the left now calls turncoats for being the same. The new Iraq is, Ukraine. Edited March 20, 2023 by Chris farley 1 2
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 52 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Hmm. More like state sponsored mass murder for TV ratings. Crazy how 99% of the politicians and for profit media sold that crap as kosher. And 20 years later not one emergency action from post 9/11, has been ended, by either party. But at least back then the lefts base talked about being antiwar, antiestablishment, anti-surveillance state, anti corporations buying politicians, anti PAC. Like Taibbi and Greenwood. the ones the left now calls turncoats for being the same. The new Iraq is, Ukraine. 99%? No, not even close. Close to 100% Republicans did and about half of Dems did. The Democrats had far more people against the war And those people were clobbered with "Remember 9-11!!!" And Ukraine is nothing like the failed WMD war 1 2
Tommy Callahan Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: 99%? No, not even close. Close to 100% Republicans did and about half of Dems did. The Democrats had far more people against the war And those people were clobbered with "Remember 9-11!!!" And Ukraine is nothing like the failed WMD war And would add that was the second time, the gulf war was a decade prior. the rest held hands and sang about America while signing off on everything from DHS, to spying on Americans and giving the white house more authority to WAR. And in full circle, the war mongers back then called any opposing views, Alquada or terrorist sympathizers. Ukraine is to the MIC as Iraq was to the MIC. Edited March 20, 2023 by Chris farley 1 1
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 United States House of Representatives 6 (<2.7%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted against the resolution: Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY), Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX). 126 (~60.3%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted against the resolution. Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution ... And only a clown would compare Ukraine to Iraq, a desperate clown 1 1
Tenhigh Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 Which was the one where the smaller country was invaded by the much more powerful country on false pretenses? Which one did Biden try to keep us out of? 1
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Which was the one where the smaller country was invaded by the much more powerful country on false pretenses? Which one did Biden try to keep us out of? This was Bush's war "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad."
Tenhigh Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This was Bush's war "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad." Bush certainly led it, but he wasn't alone. Most politicians supported it. https://youtu.be/7WnTnLgBI_8 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) Same crap as Ukraine, except now we just drop money from the sky to fund them slaughtering their own without overtly slaughtering our own kids too. Democrats are so corrupted by military industrial complex now too. Edited March 20, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 1
Tommy Callahan Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Bush certainly led it, but he wasn't alone. Most politicians supported it. https://youtu.be/7WnTnLgBI_8 Some Dems voted No to the invasion. but most voted YES. Was even worse with the moronic authorization of force vote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_of_2001 https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237 Edited March 20, 2023 by Chris farley 1
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 @Irv I bet you were eating the Freedom Fries, huh? 51 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Same crap as Ukraine, except now we just drop money from the sky to fund them slaughtering their own without overtly slaughtering our own kids too. Democrats are so corrupted by military industrial complex now too. Bad war/Good war You can't see the difference, political blinders 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: @Irv I bet you were eating the Freedom Fries, huh? Bad war/Good war You can't see the difference, political blinders Only lunatics and sociopaths think there is such a thing as a good war. 1 1
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Only lunatics and sociopaths think there is such a thing as a good war. Not if you are defending freedom. Only a moral degenerate criticizes helping people fight against tyranny, murder and enslavement 1 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Tiberius said: Not if you are defending freedom. Only a moral degenerate criticizes helping people fight against tyranny, murder and enslavement Only an imbecile believes that’s what that war or most wars are about. 2
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Only an imbecile believes that’s what that war or most wars are about. Idiotic
dpberr Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 It's hard to name a US war, post WWII that wasn't a failure in policymaking. In the Iraq War, we seemed to go out of our way to make the worst decisions out of the possible choices. The real reasons for this war always interested me. It wasn't about freedom or WMDs. Why would the US invade a reliable pressure door against the Iranians and a dictator who had no use for groups like al-Qaeda? Did the same thing in Libya. (Answer: The Saudis.) 1
Tommy Callahan Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: It's hard to name a US war, post WWII that wasn't a failure in policymaking. In the Iraq War, we seemed to go out of our way to make the worst decisions out of the possible choices. The real reasons for this war always interested me. It wasn't about freedom or WMDs. Why would the US invade a reliable pressure door against the Iranians and a dictator who had no use for groups like al-Qaeda? Did the same thing in Libya. (Answer: The Saudis.) Answer. Bretton Woods, the dollar as the reserve currency and profits for the Military industrial complex and the Investors of those companies. Libya was us and FRANCE. but was supported by IRAN and Russia. But still wondering where all that physical gold went, as Ghaddafi at the time had one of the largest physical reserves in the world. Now according to the IMF, they have 0 But from WW2, through the moronic wars of the 90's to now. nothing had much to do with The Saudis. Vietnam? Korea? What did Afghanistan have to do with Saudi? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_conflicts_involving_the_United_States#20th-century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_conflicts_involving_the_United_States#21st-century 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Only an imbecile believes that’s what that war or most wars are about. 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Idiotic Yes that too people are less willing to sacrifice their lives or their children’s when politicians are transparent about money and power motivation. But freedom from tyranny? Good versus evil? Religious righteousness? That sch!t sells to the moronic sheep all day long 2
Tiberius Posted March 20, 2023 Author Posted March 20, 2023 "After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad." 1
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