ColoradoBills Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:13 PM, Beck Water said: Only to people who don't value ST which (checks notes) would not include Beane or McDermott Expand I'm thinking the Zane Anderson signing, that got a lot of people scratching their heads, is his replacement. He fills the ST role and may bring more to the S position itself. Roster bonus aside, Neal could still go to camp and the decision put off until September. Quote
RussellDopeland Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 If this board had been up and running in the early 90s, members would have been calling for Tasker/Pike's releases continuously- "Well, they're overpaid!" "What does Pike do on defense?" "We can replace Tasker with a receiver that actually plays on offense!" "Polian and Levy worry too much about special teams!" 1 1 1 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:35 PM, RussellDopeland said: If this board had been up and running in the early 90s, members would have been calling for Tasker/Pike's releases continuously- "Well, they're overpaid!" "What does Pike do on defense?" "We can replace Tasker with a receiver that actually plays on offense!" "Polian and Levy worry too much about special teams!" Expand That’s 30 years ago now. Quote
NewEra Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:00 PM, GolfandBills said: I think he’ll be released Expand He should be. All these years and can’t beat out friggin Cam Lewis? Sheesh 1 Quote
nosejob Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:28 PM, MasterStrategist said: Unless they like Cam Lewis as the backup Nickle corner, I can't see us letting Neal go. Neal is one of our best, if not best, S/T core player. He gets too "grabby" on defense, when given the chance, but worth keeping around given his role. Expand Not a fan of Cam Lewis and IIRC it seems like every time they blitz Neal, he gets a sack. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:23 PM, Yantha said: Will be released for sure. Question is if he'll be signed back for a vet minimum after he "tests the market". Expand That's fine. If no one picks him up I'd bring him back for the league minimum. Or find a faster, hungrier udfa who can play gunner. Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:13 PM, Beck Water said: So Neal's calling card is that he was said (at least a year ago-ish) to be the fastest player on the team. He's a ST gunner (I think - where's @GunnerBill to set us straight on all the ST roles?) or at least filled in for Kumerow, he was taking 77% of the ST snaps. He's our dime back, and Taron Johnson's backup at nickel. So he's versatile. Personally, I don't think the Bills see him as a looming decision. $400 bonus really isn't much in the scheme of things. Neal has 3 roles on the team, so why not bring him into camp and keep him until you have someone else you like better in at least 2 of 3? I think the reason the Bills saved McKenzie's bonus is that they signed someone who can fill his role and they think will be better. I don't see that as having happened with Neal. Only to people who don't value ST which (checks notes) would not include Beane or McDermott Expand He is our starting gunner opposite Taiwan Jones. They have been the best gunner tandem in football the past 3 seasons. I would be stunned if they cut him. 2 Quote
RussellDopeland Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:36 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: That’s 30 years ago now. Expand And Tasker is a guy who is arguably the best cover guy in NFL history- and should be in the Hall. But you can be sure that members of this board would have bitched about him- why he was being paid so much, a waste of a roster spot- etc, etc. as they do with every ST player on the team now- it's moronic! 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:32 PM, ColoradoBills said: I'm thinking the Zane Anderson signing, that got a lot of people scratching their heads, is his replacement. He fills the ST role and may bring more to the S position itself. Roster bonus aside, Neal could still go to camp and the decision put off until September. Expand Zane Anderson and Siran Neal do not play the same position on special teams. So, no. Quote
NewEra Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:41 PM, nosejob said: Not a fan of Cam Lewis and IIRC it seems like every time they blitz Neal, he gets a sack. Expand 🤔 The guy has 1 sack- in 2018 Quote
Beck Water Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:43 PM, GunnerBill said: He is our starting gunner opposite Taiwan Jones. They have been the best gunner tandem in football the past 3 seasons. I would be stunned if they cut him. Expand What role did Kumerow play, then? Thought he was one of the gunners as well. Anyway, I think TBN is incorrect that the Bills are going around making decisions about each guy who is owed a (relatively small) roster bonus. I think the decision on McKenzie was driven by feeling that Harty (and Shakir, and Hines) can fill every role they saw for McKenzie next season and do it better, so bye! Unless they signed someone who they have on film as a top notch gunner AND a Dime back AND can play Nickel, I agree, Neal stays. But then, I did think that $250k-$350k was too small an amount not to bring McKenzie into camp to compete and clearly the Bills valued his $2.2M now more than his camp competition, so you never know. Quote
Beck Water Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:51 PM, GunnerBill said: Zane Anderson and Siran Neal do not play the same position on special teams. So, no. Expand What did Anderson do on ST for the Chiefs? Quote
Motorin' Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:51 PM, NewEra said: 🤔 The guy has 1 sack- in 2018 Expand I was going to post the same thing... But he did sack Watson in the playoffs, and then was the other half of the Milano missed sack sandwich later in the same game. 1 Quote
nosejob Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:51 PM, NewEra said: 🤔 The guy has 1 sack- in 2018 Expand Well IIRIC Quote
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:36 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: That’s 30 years ago now. Expand Yes. And? Quote
DJB Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:21 PM, BillsDad51 said: Neal tied for team lead with 7 tackles on special teams. 2nd in special teams snaps with 316. Expand Time to offer him 10 million before someone else gets him Quote
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:43 PM, GunnerBill said: He is our starting gunner opposite Taiwan Jones. They have been the best gunner tandem in football the past 3 seasons. I would be stunned if they cut him. Expand That's a bit strong Gunner, wouldn't you say. There are plenty of able bodied young guys floating around we can bring in to play gunner reasonably well I have to believe. Neal can't play defense and is making too much money to just play Special teams. We desperately need reinforcements on both lines, WR and LB. And another solid TE would be nice. (I would not mind drafting the kid Kincaid out of Utah if he is there at 27. But I am not sure the Bills are that progressive thinking w their offense to make a two TE look, a mainstay in their scheme.) So if we have to go bare bones on special teams for the sake of fortifying the lines especially, I am willing to make that trade off. The Bills management seems under the illusion that but for some tough circumstances last season, we were good enough to compete for the championship. I just don't buy that. And I hope I am wrong with my assumption. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:51 PM, Beck Water said: What role did Kumerow play, then? Thought he was one of the gunners as well. Anyway, I think TBN is incorrect that the Bills are going around making decisions about each guy who is owed a (relatively small) roster bonus. I think the decision on McKenzie was driven by feeling that Harty (and Shakir, and Hines) can fill every role they saw for McKenzie next season and do it better, so bye! Unless they signed someone who they have on film as a top notch gunner AND a Dime back AND can play Nickel, I agree, Neal stays. But then, I did think that $250k-$350k was too small an amount not to bring McKenzie into camp to compete and clearly the Bills valued his $2.2M now more than his camp competition, so you never know. Expand Kumerow was their next guy up at gunner (and early in the season was rotating in some with Taiwan) but he also played inside as a blocker on some kick off coverage snaps. Quote
Beck Water Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 6:59 PM, GunnerBill said: Kumerow was their next guy up at gunner (and early in the season was rotating in some with Taiwan) but he also played inside as a blocker on some kick off coverage snaps. Expand OK, different from 2021 then when Kumerow was one of the gunners? Quote
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