Beane again showing why he is a top GM

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Chaos said:

 Fans are customers. Every single one is entitled to their personal opinion of whether or not the team succeeded.  Its a strange customer relationship, because most fans will continue to buy the product they are disappointed in.

From a management perspective success is measured by owner happiness. Full stop. Owners tend to have some concern for fan's opinions of where things are at, but they are the final arbiters.   The average NFL coach lasts a couple of years.  A few outliers like Jeff Fisher can last 20 years without winning a championship.  That vast majority of owners wouldn't have kept Fisher for that long. In the end, its all measured by money. 

 

Which still doesn't make fan hapiness a good judgment for, well, anything. Especially with the limited understanding amongst most fans of what they are actually watching.

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

Peak of the NFL pyramid? Not in the playoffs. There’s a lot less luck involved in the NFL than other sports. 1&2 seeds go the majority of the time. 
We haven’t won a AFCCG in 4 years. The one we made we were blown out.  
The Bengals beat KC in arrowhead in the AFCCG in the first year of their run. This year was their second year, they walked into OP and thoroughly whooped our a$$. Then lost on a last second kick on their second straight AFCCG in KC against the eventual champs. So comparing the Bengals in their second year of their run to us, in year 4,  is insane.
No matter how much you don’t want to believe it, the Bengals have passed up by and its soley because of Beane’s failure to build the OL/DL and surround Josh with another weapon not named Diggs. 

 

“Near the peak”, which I believe to be true, as a regular Super Bowl favorite.

 

I don’t feel the need to extend this. 

 

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Edited March 18, 2023 by Augie

[BBFL]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

It’s reasonable to assume only 5-6 teams have a significant chance for that “ultimate success” though.  The rest aren’t really “failing”, as they weren’t legitimate contenders. 

“First place loser”

 

”Coming in second is the same as losing”

 

”Mr. Autry’s favorite horse was called ‘Champion’. he ain’t never had one called ‘Runner Up’…”

Edited March 18, 2023 by BBFL

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, BBFL said:

“First place loser”

 

”Coming in second is the same as losing”

 

”Mr. Autry’s favorite horse was called ‘Champion’. he ain’t never had one called ‘Runner Up’…”

 

Are you a parent?       😋

[BBFL]

17 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Are you a parent?       😋

😂

 

Living maybe a tad too vicariously…

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 3/18/2023 at 4:34 PM, Eastport bills said:

Nicely orchestrated by a couple great Bills fans. Just imagining watching the Bills with my favorite beverage with boats passing in the background. Not too bad. Little concerned with the lack of activity in FA with Rogers and an improved Dolphins team in the AFCE. 

Thank you.  It is a nice set up.  

 

I agree.  Would like to see a couple more solid players brought in.  But to be honest with Beane's track record the past few years w Free Agents and drafting, I really don't have a lot of confidence in his evaluation of talent.  The brilliance of Josh Allen has been able to mask an overall somewhat mediocre roster.  Especially on both lines.  Beane has really missed w our big guys.  Lets hope that turns around shortly.  

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 3/18/2023 at 6:24 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Whether fans are upset or not is not the right barometer for success and failure. 

 

Personally I think Bills fans perceptions are partially warped from having been in division with greatest dynasty in NFL history for 20 years. 

 

What I will say is big picture if the Bills get a 10-12 year run of elite QB play from Allen (we have had 3 so far) and don't win a Lombardi in the big picture that is failure. I think it is easier to judge on that level of sample size because the inbuilt and inherent randomness of sport - especially the NFL - is more likely to balance itself out over that period than over a single season.

Well said Gunner.  And that is why people who are scared of the Jets if Aaron Rodgers ends up there need to step off the ledge.  In his 15 years as starting QB for the Packers, they made the Super Bowl one time in his third year after the 2010 season.  And now in his twilight years there is no way he can carry a team.  The Packers last year were a run first team.  Everyone blames his WR's the past couple years.  That's nonsense.  He looked tentative as can be whenever he dropped back to pass.  The best passing game the Packers had all last season was when Jordan Love came in the second half against Philly on Sunday nite.  And he had the same receivers that Rodgers had.

 

As for the Bills, Beane has not done a good enough job so far building a great roster around Josh Allen.  It isn't terrible.  But the O line has certainly been sub par.  And other then Diggs, there are no weapons that scare opposing teams.  The roster has been good enough to beat the decent to poor teams.  But in crunch time in the playoffs it has not been good enough.  And the coaching has not been good enough.  Hopefully that will change this year.  But I really question Beane and McDermott's ability to put a championship type roster together.  Not saying it can't happen.  I just have my concerns.

[ddaryl]

6 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

 

 

As for the Bills, Beane has not done a good enough job so far building a great roster around Josh Allen.  It isn't terrible.  But the O line has certainly been sub par.  And other then Diggs, there are no weapons that scare opposing teams.  The roster has been good enough to beat the decent to poor teams.  But in crunch time in the playoffs it has not been good enough.  And the coaching has not been good enough.  Hopefully that will change this year.  But I really question Beane and McDermott's ability to put a championship type roster together.  Not saying it can't happen.  I just have my concerns.

 

 

many of us share those exact concerns

[Eastport bills]

18 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Thank you.  It is a nice set up.  

 

I agree.  Would like to see a couple more solid players brought in.  But to be honest with Beane's track record the past few years w Free Agents and drafting, I really don't have a lot of confidence in his evaluation of talent.  The brilliance of Josh Allen has been able to mask an overall somewhat mediocre roster.  Especially on both lines.  Beane has really missed w our big guys.  Lets hope that turns around shortly.  

Good point, maybe asking him to make bold moves is the kiss of death.

[Negan]

Bills just signed Trent Sherfield

[billsfan_34]

Lets annoint BB if/when we ever hoist the Lombardi. 

[ngbills]

Probably not a complete list but here are key offseason signings, and some were trades. The approach remains the same on offense if you look at it:

1) Reaches for WR that didn't work out - Benjamin, Matthews, Streater, Kerley, Roberts, Sanders, Crowder, Bolden, Brown (rd 2), Beasley (rd 2). 

2) Bargain shopping at OL - many misses and one-year stopgaps. Morse the priciest is the only one that stuck. 

3) RB - See OL - Tolbert, Ivory, Breida, Johnson, Gore 

 

We still have Morse and a good pick in Dawkins. The rest of the OL could be anyone. The hope is McGovern works out but could wind up like Spain, Williams, Feliciano. 

At WR it is essentially Diggs and trying to find out who can be #2 and #3. At RB we hope its Cook, or he goes down the road of Singletary being the best we have but always looking for an upgrade. 

 

2017: Hyde, Poyer, Holmes, Dimarco, Hauschka, Hodges, Tolbert, Ducasse, Streater, C Brown, R Davis, P Brown, A Bolden, K Benjamin, J Matthews

2018: Ivory, Bodine, Barkley, D Anderson, J Phillips, R Bush, Murphy, Lotulelei, Stanford, Gaines, V Davis, Newhouse, AJ McCaron, Kerley, T Pryor

2019: Beasley, J Brown, Morse, Spain, Kroft, Gore, Nsekhe, Feliciano, K Johnson, A Roberts, S Long, Waddle

2020: T Jones, Diggs, D Williams, Addison, Jefferson, Butler, Matakevich, Klein, Norman

2021: Trubisky, Breida, Sanders, Powell, Hollister, Hart, Lamp, Haack

2022: Keenum, Johnson, Crowder, Austin, Howard, Quessenberry, Saffold, Van Roten, Miller, Lawson, D Jones, J Phillips, Settle, Hines, Brown (rd 2), Beasley (rd 2)

[Nephilim17]

6 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

But to be honest with Beane's track record the past few years w Free Agents and drafting, I really don't have a lot of confidence in his evaluation of talent. 

I certainly don't trust him/his staff to evaluate pass rushers or running backs.

When you draft a back in the 3rd and let him sign with a crap team for $3.75 million (I bet the Bills could've resigned for less) that says he doesn't hold much value. So a third-round pick you don't wanna resign for $3.5 million. 

Add in Moss for a third and that's pretty bad management of draft capital.

[TheBeaneBandit]

How is this thread still alive at this point Beane ain't shown us s**t.

[Playoffs?]

Yeah I’m ready for Beane to make his magic move here. Overall nothing too impressive. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

I certainly don't trust him/his staff to evaluate pass rushers or running backs.

When you draft a back in the 3rd and let him sign with a crap team for $3.75 million (I bet the Bills could've resigned for less) that says he doesn't hold much value. So a third-round pick you don't wanna resign for $3.5 million. 

Add in Moss for a third and that's pretty bad management of draft capital.

I was not a big fan of Moss.  He had no wiggle, not much vision and was slow.  Great traits for a 3rd round RB. LOL Singletary was better.  But nothing overly special.

 

We just signed Damien Harris.  I like that signing.  But we still need some O lineman to block for him!!  

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, Playoffs? said:

Yeah I’m ready for Beane to make his magic move here. Overall nothing too impressive. 

Wait til he pounces on Patrick Queen from the Ravens.

[Playoffs?]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

Wait til he pounces on Patrick Queen from the Ravens.

I like the cut of your jib

[Toyo321]

I will wait for what happens after the 1st round of the draft.  If he does not pull off getting one of the top 3 LB's on our first pick,  this guy is deserves the boot and don't let the door hit you on the way out of OBD.

Edited March 21, 2023 by Toyo321

[Coach Tuesday]

I will forever be grateful to Beane for nailing the Allen pick.

 

I will never forgive him if he squanders Allen’s career.