Patriots* Lose Meyers to LV

[Ethan in Cleveland]

24 minutes ago, H2o said:

The Pats are screwed. This is the 2nd year in a row no one is going there or key guys are leaving. They are weaker today because of it, especially on offense. 

Agreed. Guys will put up with BB's BS if they are winning. They won't if they are not even making the playoffs with noodle arm.

[RoyBatty is alive]

24 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

The conspiratorially-minded might wonder if Meyers wasn't secretly on Josh McDaniels' payroll last season when he threw the Fail Mary in LV.

McDaniels employing the Patriot* Way?

Was he the guy?

 

No wonder he left, the type of play no Pats fan or Belcihek would ever forget, they type of play after which you cant wait to go to a new team.

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Miami improving significantly and Miami being better are 2 totally different takes. You stepped it down to try and get him to agree with you lol. Miami is NOT significantly better than they were. Sorry, but that's a horrible take. Better, yes, significantly better, hell no.

 

 

 

 

I guess we'll see.  They played us pretty damn hard in Buffalo in January with their Z string QB.  Things change fast in the NFL, and we shouldn't assume that because we have Josh Allen that we're just going to roll over everyone, particularly if the playcalling remains as anemic as it was the 2nd half of last season

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

I guess we'll see.  They played us pretty damn hard in Buffalo in January with their Z string QB.  Things change fast in the NFL, and we shouldn't assume that because we have Josh Allen that we're just going to roll over everyone, particularly if the playcalling remains as anemic as it was the 2nd half of last season

 

 Whether they played us hard or not has no bearing on the question have they significantly improved thus far in FA vs just got better. 

 

 

[dorquemada]

18 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Whether they played us hard or not has no bearing on the question have they significantly improved thus far in FA vs just got better. 

 

 

 

So where is the line between 'got better' and 'significantly improved'?

 

To me it's adding playmakers and better coaching, to declare a team significantly improved, and in my judgement, Miami has done that so far.  If Ramsey makes a couple plays that the guy he's replacing didn't, Miami goes 2-1 against the Bills last year and we never get a chance to get smoked by Cincy.  Or, if Fangio's D plays 10% better, and they win a couple more games in season.  Don't fool yourself, they are going to be better.

 

How hard they played us has significant bearing on this topic because how much better does Miami need to be to sweep us?  2 losses to the Bills by a total of 6 points isn't exactly domination by us, with net Buffalo +4 points separating us out of 166 points scored in three games.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

So where is the line between 'got better' and 'significantly improved'?

 

To me it's adding playmakers and better coaching, to declare a team significantly improved, and in my judgement, Miami has done that so far.  If Ramsey makes a couple plays that the guy he's replacing didn't, Miami goes 2-1 against the Bills last year and we never get a chance to get smoked by Cincy.  Or, if Fangio's D plays 10% better, and they win a couple more games in season.  Don't fool yourself, they are going to be better.

 

How hard they played us has significant bearing on this topic because how much better does Miami need to be to sweep us?  2 losses to the Bills by a total of 6 points isn't exactly domination by us, with net Buffalo +4 points separating us out of 166 points scored in three games.

 

 You typed all this for what reason? They still are not significantly better than they were at the end of the season. Games against Buffalo or any other team for that matter, last season still have no bearing on your original statement, that is a fact.

 

 Does it improve their chances next year, maybe, but we still have the rest of FA and the draft to get through before that question can be answered. The Dolphins only have a 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 7th for draft picks this year.

 

 

 

[Thrivefourfive]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Payback (actually, reward) for the lateral!  Or whatever the hell that was! 😁

whatever happen there…??!!

[Doc]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

Perhaps you should restate your position on the Dolphins offseason so far.  I'll make it easy on you, does adding Fangio & Ramsey make Miami (A) better, or (B) worse?

A. On paper. 

[dorquemada]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

A. On paper. 

 

Paper's all we have to talk about right now

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

That's a non-trivial loss for the Pats.  It'll be interesting to see who they bring in to replace him.

 

 

Wasnt he involved in a non-trivial loss to the raiders……

[dorquemada]

5 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Wasnt he involved in a non-trivial loss to the raiders……

 

https://clipchamp.com/watch/4yfzvy9vOrV

 

perhaps my favorite moment of the 2022 season in fact

 

 

 

[Doc]

38 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

Paper's all we have to talk about right now

Yup. But it’s still on paper. 

[Meatloaf63]

2 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Perhaps you should restate your position on the Dolphins offseason so far.  I'll make it easy on you, does adding Fangio & Ramsey make Miami (A) better, or (B) worse?

 

 

Unknown at this time. Ramsey has been overrated and declining. Diggs has abused him consistently. Not sure how a difference this makes. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Love it!  ***** the Cheats!

[C.Biscuit97]

I like him as a player but he’s not really changing your team one way or another. MacJones is still butt cheeks with or with him.

 

but nice of the raiders to reward him after he handed them a W last year.

[DCofNC]

8 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

12/18/22 - lateral's backwards to lose the game vs raiders

 

3/14/23 - signs 11 mil/yr deal to join raiders

 

fishyyyyyy 

I mean, he was the guy that proved Carr was so useless a WR could outscore him.. 

[HappyDays]

10 hours ago, dorquemada said:

They played us pretty damn hard in Buffalo in January with their Z string QB. 

 

They really didn't though. We just had a long series of unforced errors that put them back in the game. They lived and died on zero blitzes to compensate for the talent discrepancy and the gamble almost worked. But the talent discrepancy was still there.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Yes, adding an all pro CB to their D, which was already pretty good against us, along with Vic Fangio, is an improvement.  Tell me you're not such a homer that you imagine that either of those things makes Miami worse

They didn’t give up less than 420 yards against us in any of the three matchups and it should’ve been much more if it weren’t for a few flukey plays.  Not at all fully disagreeing with you but I think the term ‘significant improvement’ may be a stretch unless Xavien Howard return to form.  He was awful last season(couldve been injury related) and teams will just pick on him.  This idea that they have two lockdown corners is a stretch 

 

ramsey doesn’t have to cover long in LA which inflates his value a bit…they have been the best defensive line in football for a lot of his time there.  Miami is no slouch either but they are definitely a tier below peak LA 

 

he obviously helps but I’m not expecting a complete defensive transformation

 

they might honestly take a step backwards early in the season until they get more experience in the new system 

Edited March 15, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

They really didn't though. We just had a long series of unforced errors that put them back in the game. They lived and died on zero blitzes to compensate for the talent discrepancy and the gamble almost worked. But the talent discrepancy was still there.

We had two really flukey games against them that I think is clouding people’s perception a bit.  The yardage totals we put up were insane. 
 

just about doubled up the dolphins offensive production in two of the three games 

Edited March 15, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan