Edmunds to Bears

[eball]

2 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I think that's a mistake too. They shoulda tried to keep both but if you are gonna lose 1, I'd rather it be Milano.

 

you can teach what Milano does, you can't teach what Edmunds has in terms of skills and length

You do realize it’s actually the opposite, right? No, you can’t teach Edmunds’ size but Milano has more football “instinct” in his little finger than Tremaine appears to have in his entire body. 
 

I wanted the Bills to keep Edmunds because of his youth and potential, but I understand letting him walk. 

 

[chongli]

From the article:

 

"I acknowledge that what I’m about to present is going seem dumb to some. That’s fine. But I think when you’re looking at new Bears LB Tremaine Edmunds, the No. 1 thing to consider is prototypes. And that’s how you can look at his arrival in Chicago, and Roquan Smith’s departure in the fall (in exchange for a second-round pick) and square the two.

 

In Indianapolis, with Matt Eberflus as DC, the Colts drafted two off-ball linebackers who would grow into long-term starters—Shaq Leonard and Bobby Okereke. Both fit a mold. They were over 6'1", but more than that, they had length and speed to shrink the field for the offense. Both had a wingspan topping 82", putting them in the 98th percentile for the position. Both had arms topping 34", with Leonard landing in the 95th percentile and Okereke in the 97th.

 

If you went to a Colts practice, you could literally see it, if you looked close enough. The linebackers looked like they came off an assembly line, tall and lean and long.

 

Now consider Smith and Edmunds. Smith, now with the Ravens, is under 6'1", has a 77" wingspan (34th percentile) and 32" arms (29th percentile). Edmunds, meanwhile, has an 83" wingspan and 34.5" arms, landing him in the 98th and 97th percentile in those categories. And so Smith was traded away, and Edmunds was paid to arrive.

 

Here’s the thing—I don’t think the Bears’ decision making here was any sort of indictment on Smith. More so, it’s an ode to Matt Eberflus’s roots. He learned the zone-heavy defense he runs, one that puts a premium on linebackers who can cover ground and get their hands in passing lands, from Rod Marinelli. Marinelli, of course, once had a big, long linebacker himself with the Bears. And Brian Urlacher set a pretty good—and big, fast and long—standard for those coaches to work off of."

Edited March 14, 2023 by chongli

[DrPJax]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

This loss is huge and will hurt the Buffalo Bills we just got sent to the in the playoff hunt tonight with this potential loss. Losing a young Bills football player in his prime isn’t good in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Yeah all those game changing ints, forced fumbles, sacks , and tackles for loss he had leading us to 2 consecutive divisional playoff losses are really going to be missed!  49 mil $ guaranteed would have been reasonable for all that production, passes avoided like crossing routes into the middle of the field , and all those tackles he made 9 yards down  the field on third and 8 , but when the guaranteed money hit 50 mil $, it just didn’t make sense any longer.  Feels bad after paying him so little for 5 years especially because he was so NFL ready to lead the D at age 19 !  

 

     So , what are you saying; this means we are no longer automatically in the playoffs without Tre, because we can now afford to pay and field 53 players each week?  You would think Beane would have thought of that before not doing a contract a year before or something similar when Tre was not such a superstar , like before he exploded this year with 1 sack and 1 int !  But in Beanes defense, who expected both Tre AND  Saffold to be voted into the prestigious pro bowl the same year ; i mean we usually pride ourself on our roster lacking pro bowl talent!  So we probably have to give Beane a pass when he accidentally loaded the roster with 2 or 3 of those talented guys all in the same year.  That sure screwed the PROCESS of drafting, growing, retaining your own guys, especially when drafting a guy so young we were assured to have him anchor the D for at least a good 10-15 years.

     I guess despite all their regular season success, McD , Beane may have to take a step back , re-evaluate their philosophy just like KC has done for 5 years after being forced to play so many extra games and then draft from a limited pool of talent as they seem to always be picking in the 30-32nd spots ( well, excluding that one year when Mcd felt bad and gave them the 10th spot just so they could have a shot at the limited QB talent that year; funny how our success has been so intertwined with KC!  Sure has been a good thing McD learned so much while with Andy!) 

 

     LOL, just kidding around!  Tre may become good if used appropriately, which I don’t thin was ever the case here , and I think it showed in how edmunds seemed to be very eager to get out of Buffalo.  Sure he wanted to test the market, but he never talked enthusiastically about wanting to continue here, just threw out an occasional cliche or platitude about the NFL being a business, and he would be happy staying but always cut that subject off quickly. This was the only year I saw him ACT like a leader showing enthusiasm , and being a contract year, that’s pretty self explanatory.   I think we will be better , certainly hard to be any worse as we lost when it really mattered after all , and we all know this teams success is based on JOSH, not an ILB in a soft zone D.  Tre and Chicago are both going to find out  he is no URLACHER , BUTKUS, SINGLETARY, SMITH type LB,  who is intense , hard hitting , and a game changer, and TRE is ok regardless being 50 mil$ happier.   He is a good person, i just think he was completely miscast in Buffalo. Chicago is banking on that thought, literally. 

 

      My predictions are Bills fans will finally see true impact performances  when Milano plays alongside someone with football instincts and aggression who likes contact , and the Bears fans , who are used to exceptional lb play ( they just had roquan right, and URLACHER was fast but nasty with his tackling and was a playmaker) will be  seeing a soft, more gentler style  MLB ( unless they use him differently )and they can talk about all the things that didn’t happen because of TRE or discuss all the times he is “around” the play after someone else made the tackle !  Things probably worked out for both sides. I wish him good health, but wont miss him as a bills player i enjoyed watching play. 

Edited March 14, 2023 by DrPJax

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

This is the prototypical win-win situation. Edmunds gets paid and the Bills get the chance to preserve or even improve production at MLB at a lower cost. It's up to Beane to make the most out of the situation.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Out of everything today.  I think this hurts the most.  Yes, he got overpaid, but he is a beast

[John from Riverside]

Not gonna be one of those to talk ***** about a player just because they’re not with us anymore
 

Thank you for the years trumaine you have been a good player for us

 

Time to turn the page

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Yes I realize. I have watched this team for a zillion years. Paying a CB is stupid, those guys are a dime a dozen.
 

Cost us a foundational MLB 

 

 

"Yes I realize" - well, at least you got that going for you because you acted like you didn't.

"I have watched this team for a zillion years" - the oldest person in recorded history is 122 years old at the time of death.

"Paying a CB is stupid, those guys are a dime a dozen" - the market says otherwise.  A true shutdown #1 CB is incredibly valuable.

"Cost us a foundational MLB" - to be determined.  As far as his contract you could make the same argument for Dawkins, Knox, Miller, Diggs, Hyde, and Milano.

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Doc Brown

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Yes I realize. I have watched this team for a zillion years. Paying a CB is stupid, those guys are a dime a dozen.
 

Cost us a foundational MLB 

 

 

This is confusing to me
All you have to do is take a look at where the money goes on contracts for good players shut down corners are extremely expensive in the NFL

 

Only the very best middle linebackers make top money

[ProcessTruster]

no surprise there.   

go get more offense Beane.   

we know how this league works now

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

7 hours ago, chongli said:

From the article:

 

"I acknowledge that what I’m about to present is going seem dumb to some. That’s fine. But I think when you’re looking at new Bears LB Tremaine Edmunds, the No. 1 thing to consider is prototypes. And that’s how you can look at his arrival in Chicago, and Roquan Smith’s departure in the fall (in exchange for a second-round pick) and square the two.

 

In Indianapolis, with Matt Eberflus as DC, the Colts drafted two off-ball linebackers who would grow into long-term starters—Shaq Leonard and Bobby Okereke. Both fit a mold. They were over 6'1", but more than that, they had length and speed to shrink the field for the offense. Both had a wingspan topping 82", putting them in the 98th percentile for the position. Both had arms topping 34", with Leonard landing in the 95th percentile and Okereke in the 97th.

 

If you went to a Colts practice, you could literally see it, if you looked close enough. The linebackers looked like they came off an assembly line, tall and lean and long.

 

Now consider Smith and Edmunds. Smith, now with the Ravens, is under 6'1", has a 77" wingspan (34th percentile) and 32" arms (29th percentile). Edmunds, meanwhile, has an 83" wingspan and 34.5" arms, landing him in the 98th and 97th percentile in those categories. And so Smith was traded away, and Edmunds was paid to arrive.

 

Here’s the thing—I don’t think the Bears’ decision making here was any sort of indictment on Smith. More so, it’s an ode to Matt Eberflus’s roots. He learned the zone-heavy defense he runs, one that puts a premium on linebackers who can cover ground and get their hands in passing lands, from Rod Marinelli. Marinelli, of course, once had a big, long linebacker himself with the Bears. And Brian Urlacher set a pretty good—and big, fast and long—standard for those coaches to work off of."

Wait did Albert Breer read my post from yesterday? 

Edited March 14, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[nucci]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I understand why you’d be confused. There’s this thing in the local media and on this website where the Bills can do no wrong ever, and criticism is not allowed.

 

That would be awfully confusing when something like this happens

 

You are 5/10 years behind. Every team that pays corners these days ends up regretting it. You will see what I mean this season when we are gashed by TE’s and RB’s and AJ Klein is always a step behind 

You're obviously new. The Bills get criticized constantly on here.

[skibum]

Only time will tell if this really sucks or not. I can't remember a player whose value was so hard to determine. 

[MrEpsYtown]

This notion that we are now going to get gashed by tight ends and running backs is silly. We have been getting gashed by tight ends and running backs for the last 5 years. Sure Tremaine is big. But he is so easily manipulated in coverage by good QBs that it doesn’t matter. He looks great against guys like Davis Mills and Zach Wilson. 

 

Watch the 4.65 forty Jack Cambell take a zone drop and literally know exactly what route is being run behind him like he has eyes in the back of his head. That’s Kuechly and Urlacher and that is what is, and will likely always be, missing in Tremaine’s game. 

[nosejob]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but Tremaine was an OLB/DE at Va. Tech. I never understood how they figured drafting him to play the middle and be the "QB" of the defense. Anyway, I just don't think he has the instincts. Maybe they put him outside and have success, who knows?

Edited March 14, 2023 by nosejob

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, nosejob said:

I don't know if it's been mentioned but Tremaine was an OLB/DE at Va. Tech. I never understood how they figured drafting him to play the middle and be the "QB"

of the defense. Anyway, I just don't think he has the instincts. Maybe they put him outside and have success, who knows?

I believe was an off ball stack backer which is exactly what he does in a 4-2-5. Plus Chicago just signed him to do the exact same thing he did here and play middle tampa 2. He definitely does not have the instincts, he does make their defense better for what they want to do. 

[John from Riverside]

43 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I understand why you’d be confused. There’s this thing in the local media and on this website where the Bills can do no wrong ever, and criticism is not allowed.

 

That would be awfully confusing when something like this happens

 

You are 5/10 years behind. Every team knows now that paying corners these days is a mistake.

 

You will see what I mean this season when we are gashed by TE’s and RB’s and AJ Klein is always a step behind 

 

 

But this is happening over the entire NFL lockdown corners get paid huge money linebackers, not so much it’s not a bill thing it’s an NFL thing

[RunTheBall]

Until I saw he signed with the Bears I thought McBeane was going to keep him at a ridiculous amount.

 

I’m happy I was wrong and I think it shows the evolution at OBD in their thinking about how to construct the roster. My guess is Beane floated an extension during the early part of the season and knew right then he was going to lose Edmunds when he got rebuffed. 

 

So now we get to re-allocate resources to the offense which has been somewhat neglected the past couple years.

 

I wish Tremaine well, he will be tough but not impossible to replace and certainly not worth 18 million a year.

[Beast]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

They aren't going to try to replace his length and athleticism. They're going to have to tweak the scheme to account for a different skill set in the middle of the defense. Personally I take this as a positive.

We’ll see if you appreciate it when you see our pass defense. With that said, I’m interested in who will replace him.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

We’ll see if you appreciate it when you see our pass defense. With that said, I’m interested in who will replace him.

As HappyDays mentioned. Bills will have to adjust. And likely for Poyer too.

 I consider that a very good thing in the long run.

No doubt in my mind what Edmunds brought against the pass game.

Time for change. And yes I am really interested as to what Bills are doing at LB too !

[dave mcbride]

5 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I understand why you’d be confused. There’s this thing in the local media and on this website where the Bills can do no wrong ever, and criticism is not allowed.

 

That would be awfully confusing when something like this happens

 

You are 5/10 years behind. Every team knows now that paying corners these days is a mistake.

 

You will see what I mean this season when we are gashed by TE’s and RB’s and AJ Klein is always a step behind 

 

 

This is kind of comically wrong about CBs. The lack of good cbs is why the Redskins have been terrible on D despite a great front. The lack of CBs is why Seattle’s D was getting constantly shredded after the legion of boom era ended. The addition of Sauce Gardner to the Jets last year vaulted them into the top tier of defenses. No team currently thinks like you do about CBs, and I bet you 5-6 are drafted in the first round this year. That said, I agree that the loss of Edmunds is big. 

Edited March 14, 2023 by dave mcbride