MJS Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Every team seems to have 1-2 niche special teams guys they pay for, seems like the bills have 3-4 every year How do you know? 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think we sign more “elite” non-K/P STers than almost any team in the league. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Not trying to get ahead of myself. But I would rather free up money that keep guys like Mata, Hines, Martin. This regime continues to think that it’s the inches that matter, not a bigger problem with our OL and weapons. We are going to be rolling it back minus edmunds and poyer. 11 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I feel like Sam Martin deserves a separate post compared to the Debbie Downer Matakevich extension. Sam Martin was the best Punter we've had on the team in a long time. VERY happy he's back. Don’t think he sucks. But if we are really cash strapped there are punters potentially as good that would take much less. $7.5m for our punter? If we are punting a lot then this team is likely losing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: it’s the inches that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Not trying to get ahead of myself. But I would rather free up money that keep guys like Mata, Hines, Martin. This regime continues to think that it’s the inches that matter, not a bigger problem with our OL and weapons. We are going to be rolling it back minus edmunds and poyer. Don’t think he sucks. But if we are really cash strapped there are punters potentially as good that would take much less. $7.5m for our punter? If we are punting a lot then this team is likely losing. "Up to $7.5M" over 3 years. These details matter. The guaranteed money is about $4M. So ... you have an issue with a good punter getting between $1.3M and a maximum of $2.3M per year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: Not trying to get ahead of myself. But I would rather free up money that keep guys like Mata, Hines, Martin. This regime continues to think that it’s the inches that matter, not a bigger problem with our OL and weapons. We are going to be rolling it back minus edmunds and poyer. Don’t think he sucks. But if we are really cash strapped there are punters potentially as good that would take much less. $7.5m for our punter? If we are punting a lot then this team is likely losing. Cut Neal, McKenzie and let Taiwan Jones walk.. ok, fine, pay Martin and keep Matakevich and Hines. We'll see how this plays out, and maybe Matakevich is on a cheap deal, but this team needs more dudes at the expense of filling holes with experienced vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 They do have to fill a roster folks. And these are guys who help win. Not big splashes, but if they come in with smaller cap hits it’s a goo piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: "Up to $7.5M" over 3 years. These details matter. The guaranteed money is about $4M. So ... you have an issue with a good punter getting between $1.3M and a maximum of $2.3M per year? Punters are a dime a dozen. And I don’t think he was good. If we are winning a punter doesn’t matter. The O needs resources not special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 anger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 excitement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Martin was a good signing. He did a nice job for the Bills. I am also good with reworking Hines’ deal. He can help this team. I don’t understand the Matakevich deal. He is a really good ST player. It feels like a poor use of resources to sign a vet ST coverage player. You signed Neal last year for that and Taiwan Jones probably comes back as well. If those guys can’t play on offense or defense you should get someone cheaper to fill those roles. Edited March 13, 2023 by Kirby Jackson 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 What a quality and informative thread OP. *said no one ever* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you know? How do you know? I don't know for every team, but I know for a few that I follow and they don't commit those resources to special teams the Bills do. And we are also tight to the cap, so there is also that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 So maybe somebody can answer this for me. These guys salaries are so far down the trough that they don’t even factor into our salary cap evaluation right it’s top 53 or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, BillsFan130 said: I don't know for every team, but I know for a few that I follow and they don't commit those resources to special teams the Bills do. And we are also tight to the cap, so there is also that.. Can you share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, ngbills said: Not trying to get ahead of myself. But I would rather free up money that keep guys like Mata, Hines, Martin. This regime continues to think that it’s the inches that matter, not a bigger problem with our OL and weapons. We are going to be rolling it back minus edmunds and poyer. Don’t think he sucks. But if we are really cash strapped there are punters potentially as good that would take much less. $7.5m for our punter? If we are punting a lot then this team is likely losing. 4 millions is guarenteed over the 3 years, relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 13, 2023 Author Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, MJS said: How do you know? How do you know? Go ahead and prove me wrong. Feel like I follow the league enough to know that most teams aren't spending $7M on Matakevich or ~2M on Taiwan or $3M on Siran Neal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 35 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think we sign more “elite” non-K/P STers than almost any team in the league. One of the many stupid strategies this organization practices. 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Go ahead and prove me wrong. Feel like I follow the league enough to know that most teams aren't spending $7M on Matakevich or ~2M on Taiwan or $3M on Siran Neal. They aren't because they're not dumb asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, MJS said: Can you share? I’ve seen 2-3 teams sign special teams guys already this offseason. Saints and Seahawks. NE has always signed their special team aces. I’m sure if I researched it most teams have a Matakevich. The Bills however have had him, Neal, Kumerow, and Jones for a few years now. Neither player adds anything to the roster other than special teams. Kumerow and Neal have been given snaps but are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Son Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Not a bad move since Taiwan Jones is likely gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: They just can’t help themselves when it comes to signing niche special team players… Love the Martin signing, not a fan of the Matakevich We were very good on ST. Frequently pinning our opponents inside the 20 because Bass purposely kicks it high at the 2 yard line. And frequently started past the 25 He's decent depth at LB too if needed for a cheap contract ST has decided many gms in the nfl if you think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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