Firearm Deaths Are The Leading Cause Of Death Of Children In United States

[Tommy Callahan]

3 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Actually I saw it on the news and so did you apparently. So much for that "narrative" game ya'll wanna fight

yeah. you wont any more. 

 

what is the girls name?  but you sure will hear about Ralph Yarl non stop.

 

 

[Andy1]

11 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Yea, do you think our gun violence numbers would decrease by 50% or more?

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.
https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/survey-analysis/measuring-the-extent-of-gang-problems

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 hours ago, Andy1 said:

There is a strong correlation between gun violence and poverty. Most people think of poverty in urban areas, but rural poverty is real too. It’s just not as visible to most people.
https://cepr.net/poverty-correlates-with-the-recent-increase-in-gun-violence/

 

Yep. And what else correlates most strongly with poverty across ALL demographics???
 

Single parent households. 

 

Stop the cultural celebration, promotion and adulation of single parent households and you fix poverty, and fix gun violence. 
 

Drill into society the economic realities and perils of SPHH.  Stop subsidizing and rewarding the behavior. 

[Andy1]

15 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That'd an interesting observation.  But why is there a correlation?  A while back I researched the topic of poverty as it relates to providing specific social services to the poor.  And insights I derived from the study was simple yet very impactful.  First, its not all about income level.  Poor people do not think about life or process information in the same way as people that might be categorized as the middle class.  No more than a middle class person processes like the same way a wealthy person would view things.  That's one reason why programs designed by a middle or upper class person generally fail to deliver the program in a manner that will be receptive to people in poverty.

 

I'd say the biggest factor correlating gun violence with poverty is not a lack of money but rather the poor don't think about the future too much or the consequences of actions.  Like shooting somebody or knocking up their girlfriend.  The reasons for this are pretty clear.  When you live day to day or paycheck to paycheck or on public assistance the future is irrelevant.  Planning to send your kids to college 15 years from now?  That isn't even a thought.  Survival and getting through today is all that matters.  Programs that just hand out money to people in poverty without changing their basic mindset and thought processes about how to succeed in life are not going to have any impact on lowering levels of violence.  And programs rarely if ever even acknowledge the person's thought process might be a problem too.  

 

 

 

This is an interesting explanation I have never seen before but makes sense. A lot of behavior is learned by children from adults. Poor life choices by parents leads the kids to repeat the cycle of poverty, abuse, crime, etc. Immigrants with nothing see and think about a better future and often succeed.

[Doc]

11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yep. And what else correlates most strongly with poverty across ALL demographics???
 

Single parent households. 

 

Stop the cultural celebration, promotion and adulation of single parent households and you fix poverty, and fix gun violence. 
 

Drill into society the economic realities and perils of SPHH.  Stop subsidizing and rewarding the behavior. 

 

They can't/won't.  You're not putting that toothpaste back in the tube.  Hell BLM actually promotes fatherless households. 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Doc

[Coffeesforclosers]

14 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yep. And what else correlates most strongly with poverty across ALL demographics???
 

Single parent households. 

 

Stop the cultural celebration, promotion and adulation of single parent households and you fix poverty, and fix gun violence. 
 

Drill into society the economic realities and perils of SPHH.  Stop subsidizing and rewarding the behavior. 

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/12/12/u-s-children-more-likely-than-children-in-other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/

 

The UK has a comparable rate of SPHH, 21% for them, 23% for us.  Do they have a comparable rate of gun violence?

[Irv]

Total lie. What a mess.  

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 4/21/2023 at 9:08 PM, Andy1 said:

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.
https://nationalgangcenter.ojp.gov/survey-analysis/measuring-the-extent-of-gang-problems

 

So we are looking at numbers over 11 years old? The entire post was started on "the leading cause of children in the United States" today. 

 

If you go tot he "Gun Violence Archive" which likes to keep track of anything gun related... even if some Joe Schmo in New Mexico who accidently fired off his gun in his car while putting it away as a shooting... going down story to story, most seem to be some type of gang or drug violence occurrence. 

[Tiberius]

43 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So we are looking at numbers over 11 years old? The entire post was started on "the leading cause of children in the United States" today. 

 

If you go tot he "Gun Violence Archive" which likes to keep track of anything gun related... even if some Joe Schmo in New Mexico who accidently fired off his gun in his car while putting it away as a shooting... going down story to story, most seem to be some type of gang or drug violence occurrence. 

Every month, an average of 70 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner.2 Nearly 1 million women alive today have reported being shot or shot at by intimate partners, and over 4.5 million women have reported being threatened with a gun by an intimate partner.3 And beyond the daily toll of this problem, in more than half of mass shootings over the past decade, the perpetrator shot a current or former intimate partner or family member as part of the rampage.4

 

https://everytownresearch.org/report/guns-and-violence-against-women-americas-uniquely-lethal-intimate-partner-violence-problem/

[ArdmoreRyno]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Every month, an average of 70 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner.2 Nearly 1 million women alive today have reported being shot or shot at by intimate partners, and over 4.5 million women have reported being threatened with a gun by an intimate partner.3 And beyond the daily toll of this problem, in more than half of mass shootings over the past decade, the perpetrator shot a current or former intimate partner or family member as part of the rampage.4

 

https://everytownresearch.org/report/guns-and-violence-against-women-americas-uniquely-lethal-intimate-partner-violence-problem/

 

Let's disarm the women. Let's make them have to have a LONG wait (at least a 2 week waiting period) to be able to pick up their firearm to protect their life. 3 days for some states isn't long enough. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

19 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Let's disarm the women. Let's make them have to have a LONG wait (at least a 2 week waiting period) to be able to pick up their firearm to protect their life. 3 days for some states isn't long enough. 

 

 

Or drain the swap of guns so these women will not live in terror of their and their children's lives. 

 

Guns are about power when brought into relationships like that. Ugly 

[Tommy Callahan]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Or drain the swap of guns so these women will not live in terror of their and their children's lives. 

 

Guns are about power when brought into relationships like that. Ugly 

So explain the logistics behind that?  

 

And doubt the legal owners are into disarming when the criminal element is out shooting up the place every night..  in fact gun sales are at record highs right now.

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Or drain the swap of guns so these women will not live in terror of their and their children's lives. 

 

Guns are about power when brought into relationships like that. Ugly 

 

Well, you're throwing out what is completely impossible. 

 

Again, I am against wait times. Do you think a women who is fearing for her (or a man, fearing for his) life should have to wait 3 days.. a week, plus, to get a firearm to protect themselves from a IP abuser? 

 

BTW: Men vs Women in domestic abuse? 19% of men report that they are abused by an IP at some point in their life vs 23% for a woman. Men drastically UNDER REPORT being a victim of DV.  

 

BTW2: Women are nearly 3x more likely to die by a IP in Asia and Africa than in the United States. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Every month, an average of 70 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner.2 Nearly 1 million women alive today have reported being shot or shot at by intimate partners, and over 4.5 million women have reported being threatened with a gun by an intimate partner.3 And beyond the daily toll of this problem, in more than half of mass shootings over the past decade, the perpetrator shot a current or former intimate partner or family member as part of the rampage.4

 

https://everytownresearch.org/report/guns-and-violence-against-women-americas-uniquely-lethal-intimate-partner-violence-problem/

 

I said this in my last post... it's not just women. Men also are killed by their partner. (Source: UN)

 

 

[BillStime]

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[Over 29 years of fanhood]

😂 

[Tiberius]

Has this stat changed? 

[Tiberius]

number one, terrible 

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 5/9/2023 at 7:49 AM, Tiberius said:

Has this stat changed? 

 

No, it's still not the #1 killer despite your best wishes. 

[nedboy7]

Seems like it took over MVA in 2020

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761