NoSaint Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Maybe but while your division is very winnable is the time to make that sort of push. If say Carolina were on track and project Rhule had worked and they won the division last year and had a young QB installed I'd say the Saints should tear it down. But when you are a vet QB away from having a couple of years of competitive football and playoff games.... I think that is a move you can make. I think we diverge on whether winning a bad division or winning the conference is the goal. But I suppose getting hot at the right time can turn any team into a contender. just don’t love the idea of putting all the chips in to be good in a bad division instead of simply to become great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Asking for friend…..Since when do we put OT in front of every thread? Isn’t there a part of this forum that’s dedicated to discussions that Off Topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Different skills. devote is sick router and separation. thomas is throw the ball anywhere near him and he is catching it. Tough to throw the ball all the way up to the inactive players suite though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I think we diverge on whether winning a bad division or winning the conference is the goal. But I suppose getting hot at the right time can turn any team into a contender. just don’t love the idea of putting all the chips in to be good in a bad division instead of simply to become great. I think where we diverge is I think there has become a bit of a sense that you must either a) think you can win it all; or b) be rebuilding to try to win it all. And while I understand where that sentiment comes from I just don't think in reality it is practical (or would be good for the league if you had 2/3s of teams in rebuild mode). So if you have a genuine shot to win your division and be competitive in the playoffs with what you have I think it is justifiable to say "that is what we are going to do." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I think we diverge on whether winning a bad division or winning the conference is the goal. But I suppose getting hot at the right time can turn any team into a contender. just don’t love the idea of putting all the chips in to be good in a bad division instead of simply to become great. There is value in not allowing a losing culture to develop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: I agree fully. so they end up 10-7 and get bounced early? they aren’t Super Bowl contenders in my book unless a few guys make big jumps. MT being one but also kamara returning to form, honey badger not continuing to decline, finding a fill at TE… and coaching improving a lot. They were terrible on that front. it’s possible but it feels like they pushed a lot of cap hits down the line to be a team that will be good enough to save jobs for a year or two This was the most glaring thing last season. The Saints looked disorganized and unprepared A LOT, which was something you never saw with Payton. Allen seems a bit milquetoast to me and Carmichael is pretty unimaginative as a play caller. They’re not long for the Saints if they have another season like last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Tough to throw the ball all the way up to the inactive players suite though Josh can do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Different skills. devote is sick router and separation. thomas is throw the ball anywhere near him and he is catching it. True but if he's on the side line he's not going to be targeted very much . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 hours ago, T master said: True but if he's on the side line he's not going to be targeted very much . What if EJ Manuel is the QB? Eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think where we diverge is I think there has become a bit of a sense that you must either a) think you can win it all; or b) be rebuilding to try to win it all. And while I understand where that sentiment comes from I just don't think in reality it is practical (or would be good for the league if you had 2/3s of teams in rebuild mode). So if you have a genuine shot to win your division and be competitive in the playoffs with what you have I think it is justifiable to say "that is what we are going to do." very poor coaching: check Aging roster: top 5 oldest and aging. Also actively limiting options to move on from the guys at the edge of the cliff. draft resources: traded that top 10 pick this year to burn a year of a rookie WR without a qb Among the worst cap situations in the league: hell yea - not just this year but dead money adding up fast in future years. this is a team with non existent ownership and a front office that’s comfortable coasting as the 5th-8th to save their jobs instead of trying to reset like everything is screaming to do. They should’ve been fired last year for the thought of trading away a future first without a qb and without acquiring a qb. I’ve defended the saints loudly for the last decade - but this isn’t the time. It’s as dysfunctional as any situation in the league today and they are committing to status quo for years with these restructures and the carr signing. 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: There is value in not allowing a losing culture to develop. I feel like you might be making a joke about that twenty year run of mediocrity. Edited March 11, 2023 by NoSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I feel like you might be making a joke about that twenty year run of mediocrity. They won a Super Bowl in that run. I think they were also the #1 seed entering the playoffs times weren't they? I'm not advocating their approach but mediocrity with extended periods of SB contention isn't true mediocrity to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: They won a Super Bowl in that run. I think they were also the #1 seed entering the playoffs times weren't they? I'm not advocating their approach but mediocrity with extended periods of SB contention isn't true mediocrity to me. I meant our bills mediocrity. The saints had a solid run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 And they keep giving a middle finger to the cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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