Per Shefty - Bills “expected to lose” Poyer and Edmunds

[Paup 1995MVP]

5 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I could still see Poyer returning.  Edmunds will get a lot more money somewhere else.  

Chicago has lots of money.  Edmunds can replace Roquan Smith.  And make lots of money, and lose lots of games.

 

The defense needs a fresh look.  And some meanness in the middle.  We did not win or play well on defense in crunch time in the playoffs.  Time for some new blood to hopefully get us get over the top.  

[Saxum]

4 hours ago, boyst said:

Mixon? 

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You joke about those 3 but they are as important as others we drafted.  I'd take any of those 3 over AJE, Basham, etc. It was telling we had to bring In Marlowe and Klein for depth. 

 

4 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

And sign Beasley and brown as off the street wrs

 

The Bills did it because cap space was burned letting players go and then replacing them including one very expensive edge who did not make it to playoffs.

Money left only could afford inactive players or players who they could trade for with low priced contracts.

 

It is no coincidence they were former players for at that time of year hard to get players into new systems.

 

[ngbills]

Not saying I would resign both. But it is naive to think we can just replace them with anyone and not take a step backward. It could happen but wouldn't assume it does. 

 

What is funny - if you criticize McD many point to all the playoffs, w/l record, etc. Individual events are ignored for the whole picture. But with Edmunds (and Poyer to lessor degree) the logic doesn't apply? They played important positions in a top ranked defense. Shouldnt they get credit for that? 

[Ga boy]

I predicted this 2 days ago 😭

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Aweome! Move Benford to safety and sign Wagner for 2 years. 

[John from Riverside]

Family breaks up all the time
Don’t you people watch Oprah

[Rico]

1 hour ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Guess the salary cap is real.

Guess Edmunds should’ve made some plays.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's not.  When I max out my credit card, I just get a new one.  That's what the Bills should do.  

 

How are you not a Washington, DC resident engaged in public service?    😋

 

 

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Edited March 8, 2023 by Augie

[vincec]

5 hours ago, wppete said:

Sad to see Tremaine leave after investing a first round pick and 5 years of development. 

This is what really stinks. And they don't even have a drafted, cost controlled replacement on the roster, so they're going to have to find FA. I wonder what the cost difference will really be.

[SoCal Deek]

Edmunds? Nope…doesn’t ring a bell. Let me google him. 

[Nephilim17]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Not saying I would resign both. But it is naive to think we can just replace them with anyone and not take a step backward. It could happen but wouldn't assume it does. 

 

You are correct. But I think it is also naive to say that with the Bills cap situation that spending $28 to $30 million on these two players is the best allocation of limited funds to beat CIncy and KC.

[billsfan89]

Would have liked to have kept Edumonds but I would rather invest more in the offense. 

[RG Murdock]

Edmunds is going to ball out somewhere. I hope it's in the NFC. He's just turning 25, and has been the defensive leader on this team since he was 21. The team was never any worse than #5  overall team defense when he was the leader. Poyer is also going to be a huge loss. You don't just bring in a couple of middling LB's and safety from free agency and not drop on performance. Most here just have just said "Just get Josh more weapons". I agree to a point, but this Bills team will look entirely different on D from this point forward. It's like trying to imagine the 1990's Bills without Cornelius Bennett and Mark Kelso.  

[Scott7975]

Not surprising.  We dont have the cap space.  This team needs impact players that are young.  Poyer was an impact player but he is old.  Edmunds is young but rarely made impact plays.

[BillsFooteball]

5 minutes ago, RG Murdock said:

Edmunds is going to ball out somewhere. I hope it's in the NFC. He's just turning 25, and has been the defensive leader on this team since he was 21. The team was never any worse than #5  overall team defense when he was the leader. Poyer is also going to be a huge loss. You don't just bring in a couple of middling LB's and safety from free agency and not drop on performance. Most here just have just said "Just get Josh more weapons". I agree to a point, but this Bills team will look entirely different on D from this point forward. It's like trying to imagine the 1990's Bills without Cornelius Bennett and Mark Kelso.  

I don’t dislike Edmunds but this is  giving him  to much credit. In 5 overall healthy seasons Edmunds as a tackling machine has a total of 2 forced fumbles and 6.5 sacks. Bennett and so many others have several individual seasons that surpass those numbers. If don’t want to use numbers just do eye test and look at Millano. Which one sticks out consistently and about every week can contribute making instinctive and game changing plays. 

[DCbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Nitro said:

Losing both in the short term will hurt.  The Edmunds haters will be happy but his loss will really impact the pass defense.  Reload with rookies and possibly a FA player or two will transform this defense.  No longer thinking Super Bowl this season.  Daunting schedule will be trial by fire for the new guys.  Long term this team will be set. 

Short term it will hurt.  I actually see this as an opportunity for Beane to re-tool the roster and make it better.  Edmunds is good not great imo.  If Edmunds does leave, which I believe is best for Bills, it offers some opportunity to sign an Oline guy, WR, and a stop gap LB.  Draft a LB, WR, and OL.

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Chicago has lots of money.  Edmunds can replace Roquan Smith.  And make lots of money, and lose lots of games.

 

The defense needs a fresh look.  And some meanness in the middle.  We did not win or play well on defense in crunch time in the playoffs.  Time for some new blood to hopefully get us get over the top.  

Yeah, it was on Edmunds. Clearly it was his fault with the extreme pressure our defensive line was putting on the QB

[Captain_Quint]

26 minutes ago, RG Murdock said:

Edmunds is going to ball out somewhere. I hope it's in the NFC. He's just turning 25, and has been the defensive leader on this team since he was 21. The team was never any worse than #5  overall team defense when he was the leader. Poyer is also going to be a huge loss. You don't just bring in a couple of middling LB's and safety from free agency and not drop on performance. Most here just have just said "Just get Josh more weapons". I agree to a point, but this Bills team will look entirely different on D from this point forward. It's like trying to imagine the 1990's Bills without Cornelius Bennett and Mark Kelso.  

Doubt it. He hasn't balled out yet since he's been in the league. He doesn't play like a 1st round middle LB and he isn't going to be worth the price tag. Some lower ranked team will love him for his wingspan, but it's time for THIS Bills team to move on.

 

5 years ago, resigning him would have been a no brainer, but not anymore. 

[Estro]

I know talking about compensatory picks is a running joke at times on this forum, but it's worth pointing out:

 

If Edmunds goes for what some people think he might go for ($17-18M per yr) it'll be necessary for the Bills to sign 1 less UFA than they lose to lock in a 3rd round comp. pick.  Throw in Poyer leaving for probably 12-14m per yr....and the Bills might be looking at a 3rd and 4th round comp pick for the 2024 draft.  Of course they'd have to have a net loss of 2 players in FA to get both picks.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Estro

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, BeastMode54 said:

Tremaine and Poyer. I knew Poyer was gone but was hoping they'd get Edmunds back. And I'm surprised they haven't started restructuring any deals yet, Josh being the biggest one

 

 

 

We were supposed to lose Milano too.

 

It could easily happen. But in the end, we won't know till we know.