Per Shefty - Bills “expected to lose” Poyer and Edmunds

[BananaB]

Defense needs a change. Like both players but the change gotta start somewhere and these two have contracts that expired. 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Yes - but at that price point i don't think there's value.  There's a lower tier of player that can be productive in our defense, and there are some cut players like Kendricks or Wagner who would bring some solid stability there for a year or two (and maximize any type of compensatory pick formula). 

Agreed. I still think we tried to force him to being a MLB when he would have been an all pro at OLB. He’s still so young and freaky talented that it’s going to suck to see if he puts it all together on another team.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Diggs is going to be 30 next year... i think his concern is the window is closing for him personally.  

 

Yup.. and it's valid.

 

He has a few years left at an elite level, and he's witnessed 3 years of Championship aspirations evaporate in front of him.  

[GETTOTHE50]

ill miss poyer, but i dont mind him leaving. i especially dont mind edmunds leaving.

 

give me new players to be mad at

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Diggs is going to be 30 next year... i think his concern is the window is closing for him personally.  

Diggs is showing great maturity and leadership. I don’t mean during game outbursts, those happen. But his current act is hard to understand. The Bills aren’t trading him. He took the restructure and gladly signed. So what’s the deal? He knows the Bills would get crushed on the cap because he got the restructure. Grow up.. they aren’t sending him to play with his brother in Dallas. 

[corta765]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Yup.. and it's valid.

 

He has a few years left at an elite level, and he's witnessed 3 years of Championship aspirations evaporate in front of him.  

 

I think he himself would be thrilled if the Bills drafted a guy 1st round as it could help share the load a bit and keep the tread on his tires a bit lighter.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agreed. I still think we tried to force him to being a MLB when he would have been an all pro at OLB. He’s still so young and freaky talented that it’s going to suck to see if he puts it all together on another team.

 

He's a fine player - i just know i don't want 30M AAV tied up in off ball linebackers.  Either sign an over the hill vet - and hope you can milk the last bits of football out of him.  Or Sign someone who you think might be undervalued like you did with poyer and hyde.  

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

I cant see a scenario where you pay him Smith/Leonard/Warnter money - and its a good value.  All 3 when healthy are better players.  

 

Even when you look at those contracts....Smith is good but probably isn't worth the contract that he just got. His career has been very up and down.

 

Leonard has been hurt, had multiple surgeries on his back, lost feeling in his lower half, etc. Plus when he was out, Bobby Owereke was just as good, that one is looking like a miss imo.

 

Warner is the only one who probably deserves the contract he got and even so there are a bunch of voidable years and such in there. If they let Warner walk and re-sign Al-Shaiir they probably get close to equal production.

 

The CJ Mosely contract even looks like a dud.

 

Tremaine would be a very poor investment, as pretty much any off-ball linebacker is when you start approaching 20 million AAV. 

[Andrew Son]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Tremaine would be a very poor investment, as pretty much any off-ball linebacker is when you start approaching 20 million AAV. 

Then the point becomes that it's a poor 1st round pick

[MrEpsYtown]

3 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Then the point becomes that it's a poor 1st round pick

 

I disagree to an extent. They got cheap production for essentially 4 years and a fifth-year option. I think it was a worthy gamble, but Fred Warner went in the third round. In hindsight, I think you let the draft come to you. I think they kind of forced this pick. I think taking an inside off-ball linebacker is ok in the back half, especially if you are getting the best one. 

 

I think it's fair to pay him in that 12 million-a-year range. 19-20 is absurd. 

 

 

The first round is for QBs, WRs, Edge sack getting players, and left tackles and corners imo. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agreed. I still think we tried to force him to being a MLB when he would have been an all pro at OLB. He’s still so young and freaky talented that it’s going to suck to see if he puts it all together on another team.

 

This is something I would wonder about at times. As I'm sure you are aware, this was talked about a few different times on here. I recall there were some that felt it wasn't the case.

 

Who knows, but I did wonder sometimes if he could have been better at OLB 

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I disagree to an extent. They got cheap production for essentially 4 years and a fifth-year option. I think it was a worthy gamble, but Fred Warner went in the third round. In hindsight, I think you let the draft come to you. I think they kind of forced this pick. I think taking an inside off-ball linebacker is ok in the back half, especially if you are getting the best one. 

 

 

It's not so cheap when you consider that not only was he a mid-first round pick, but that they actually traded up as well.

[jlgarsh]

20 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

The fallout of getting a hall of fame DE which is what we needed. Edmunds had plenty of time to show he’s a consistent game changer. He hasn’t been. KC won with a very average D. Help JA feed the O.. score more points !

I mean, I think the Knox extension is what made it so Edmunds is gone. They gave him $15 mil/year and Dorsey doesn't even feature him consistently. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I feel like Poyer leaving is mostly due to his wife.

 

He's at the tail end of his career.  Chasing the money is what he should be doing.  

[BillsFanSD]

TBF, letting Poyer walk is the right business decision.  I love the guy and I'll wish him well as long as he lands outside our division.  It just doesn't make sense for us to pay him what he's going to be able to get from other teams.  

 

I do hate losing Edmunds and it would not surprise me in the least if we end up regretting his departure.  People are all bent out of shape over Isaiah Hodgins.  This board will melt down if Edmunds becomes an all-pro with some other team.  Hopefully we put those assets to very, very good use. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

It's not so cheap when you consider that not only was he a mid-first round pick, but that they actually traded up as well.

Agree....didn't get what the FO envisioned that they thought they were going to get from him (many fans also). I think this past season was pretty much his best season out of his time as a Bill. If I'm not mistaken his rookie season was pretty decent. 

 

Either way was a bit disappointing

[Kiva]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I feel like Poyer leaving is mostly due to his wife.

Yeah. There are more important things than being stuck in Buffalo, dealing with the terrible weather and just lack of overall activities, crime.  Poyer is obviously controlled, on a short leash with his wife. He needs to keep her happy. Let the dominant leader lead the family. 

[RunTheBall]

The writing was on the wall with Poyer last off season.

 

I’ve been saying for years McBeane were going to sign Edmunds to a large extension and value him more than we do, so I’ll believe he’s gone when he signs somewhere else.

 

I would have thought Beane would sign him during the season, and maybe he tried, but what he’s doing now is waiting to see what Edmunds can get on the open market and then see if we can come close. Beane has a number in mind, we are going to find out if other teams see him as worth more than we fans do.

 

 

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Agree....didn't get what the FO envisioned that they thought they were going to get from him (many fans also). I think this past season was pretty much his best season out of his time as a Bill. If I'm not mistaken his rookie season was pretty decent. 

 

Either way was a bit disappointing

The hope was to get a Kuechly/Urlacher/Ray Lewis/Patrick Willis for the middle of the D.  Tremaine never ascended past "good."

[Beast]

4 hours ago, Bigvinny said:

Nobody fears the Bills defense. They need a nasty dude in the middle. 

This isn’t the 70’s. Better in pass coverage beats a thumper in the run game.