nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 59 minutes ago, Doc said: They're using immigrants to overwhelm the border and distract from their drug running. But some immigrants absolutely are bringing drugs across with them. How do you think these people are getting to and across the border when they're so poor? And no, this isn't an anti-immigration stance, just anti-illegal immigration. That is complete BS. 1
Doc Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: That is complete BS. Sure. 1
T&C Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 6 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. These aren't overdoses... it's flat out poisoning... and it's flat out stupid for people to go messing with this stuff. Whatever happened to the days of going to the park, smoking a doob, and throwing the frisbee? Or going on a hike somewhere pretty. People used to have fun with a little enhancement but in the last few decades they are using stuff to basically hide. 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, T&C said: These aren't overdoses... it's flat out poisoning... and it's flat out stupid for people to go messing with this stuff. Whatever happened to the days of going to the park, smoking a doob, and throwing the frisbee? Or going on a hike somewhere pretty. People used to have fun with a little enhancement but in the last few decades they are using stuff to basically hide. Do you think some OD deaths were actually suicides? Serious question.
LeviF Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 The Mexican government is less legitimate and more corrupt than Syria and 2010 Libya combined. Been the case for many years. 2
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 8, 2023 Author Posted March 8, 2023 20 hours ago, nedboy7 said: That is complete BS. https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/cartels-exploiting-border-chaos-to-smuggle-fentanyl-into-us/ 1
nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/cartels-exploiting-border-chaos-to-smuggle-fentanyl-into-us/ https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers Edited March 8, 2023 by nedboy7
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 8, 2023 Author Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers It doesn't take a Ph. D. to see that the cartels use what is happening on the border to get drugs in as well as trafficking's humans across the border as well. Who are the ones brining the illegals across? 1
nedboy7 Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said: It doesn't take a Ph. D. to see that the cartels use what is happening on the border to get drugs in as well as trafficking's humans across the border as well. Who are the ones brining the illegals across? Victor Manjarrez served in the Border Patrol for more than 20 years, retiring as the sector chief in Tucson. https://www.npr.org/2022/08/18/1118271910/many-americans-falsely-think-migrants-are-bringing-most-of-the-fentanyl-entering
LeviF Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) You’re talking past each other. By definition people that traffic drugs across the border aren’t migrants, because they aren’t migrating, they’re trafficking drugs. But yes many illegal border crossers are in fact not “migrants” but coyotes and drug traffickers. Edited March 9, 2023 by LeviF
Doc Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said: It doesn't take a Ph. D. to see that the cartels use what is happening on the border to get drugs in as well as trafficking's humans across the border as well. Who are the ones brining the illegals across? Exactly. It's smart on the part of the cartels. Promise people a chance to get into America if they smuggle drugs across the border. There's no other way to explain how all these people have the thousands of dollars it takes to make the trip.
T master Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 I have wondered for a while now why they don't build a few US military bases on the southern border & then they can conduct their tank shelling practice & bombing raids on the American side of the border which after seeing the explosions would likely deter many from trying to come across . At night the military could patrol the border and send those back that come across it would do 2 things keep the money for military bases here along with the training of the troops rather than building military bases in foreign countries then when we leave give them away to terrorists . And it would keep the amount of illegals from coming freely across the border . That's called a twofer !! Plus then we could know the tax payers money was going to good use . I'm sure if Joe would ever tok the time to visit the southern border & actually see the cluster he has help create he might realize something needs to be done but he believed Kamala after she came back from over seas & told him there wasn't a problem at the southern border ...
Andy1 Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 Does anyone know if the quantity of drugs crossing the border has increased or is it just the toxicity (as in fentanyl and whatever other crap people use) that has increased? The cartels have been sending tons of drugs over the border for decades, regardless of the number of migrants crossing or the war on drugs. If one way is stopped, they will find another way. As long as there is a demand by stupid Americans, they will feed it. Resources would be better spent on locking up dealers, education, addiction treatment and prevention programs. As far as immigration goes, there are powerful forces on both sides of the aisle that want to keep the issue just the way it is.
LeviF Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Andy1 said: Does anyone know if the quantity of drugs crossing the border has increased or is it just the toxicity (as in fentanyl and whatever other crap people use) that has increased? The cartels have been sending tons of drugs over the border for decades, regardless of the number of migrants crossing or the war on drugs. If one way is stopped, they will find another way. As long as there is a demand by stupid Americans, they will feed it. Resources would be better spent on locking up dealers, education, addiction treatment and prevention programs. As far as immigration goes, there are powerful forces on both sides of the aisle that want to keep the issue just the way it is. As you’ve already apparently guessed, the quantity of drugs coming into the US hasn’t changed so much as the “quality.” The cartels used to traffic a shitload of marijuana but now that it’s legal/decriminalized in many states they’ve diversified. Cocaine, heroin, meth, and fentanyl are moneymakers for them now as well. Easy way to track this sort of thing is to look at CBP figures for seizures at the southwest border.
Irv Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 2:25 PM, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. Yes. We should. We have the ability, but don't have a leader who can do it. Our "leader" is too busy dividing, aborting third trimester babies, ruining the economy, getting his addict son paid, and drooling in his soup. What a mess. 1
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 Just say no! 17 minutes ago, Irv said: Yes. We should. We have the ability, but don't have a leader who can do it. Our "leader" is too busy dividing, aborting third trimester babies, ruining the economy, getting his addict son paid, and drooling in his soup. What a mess. You want an invasion of Mexico?
Irv Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just say no! You want an invasion of Mexico? I'd like something done at the border. Do you think the border is tenable? Or to you, does it even matter? And before you answer, please save the Trump bull####. What a mess. 1
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Irv said: I'd like something done at the border. Do you think the border is tenable? Or to you, does it even matter? And before you answer, please save the Trump bull####. What a mess. They can't keep drugs out of prisons, how in the world are you going to keep them out of the most commercially open country in the world?
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