ArdmoreRyno Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border.
Doc Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 7:25 PM, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. Expand When? Under Dems, who don't care if the border is open and drugs and thugs are crossing unfettered? 1 1
ArdmoreRyno Posted March 7, 2023 Author Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 7:27 PM, Doc said: When? Under Dems, who don't care if the border is open and drugs and thugs are crossing unfettered? Expand I don't have the answer of when. I know Biden and his puppet masters won't do anything about it. Just saying, should we? It would be a struggle, maybe more so than Afghanistan was, but how long do we allow this to devastate our country???
Roundybout Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 If Mexican authorities invite us to help with military operations, sure. Otherwise, it's the plot of Clear and Present Danger all over.
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 7:25 PM, ArdmoreRyno said: Hundreds of thousands of United States citizens have been killed directly (like what took place this past week in Tamaulipas) or indirectly (overdoses). Mexico clearly has no control over the cartel issues that plague that country and when will enough be enough? It's like we have Syria on our Southern border. We practically went to war with Afghanistan over Al-Qaeda and Taliban because of 2,000+ being killed in NYC on 9/11... yet we have 100,000+ killed from drugs coming in from Mexico and we don't even bother really securing our border. Expand Even a larger question, Mexico is the leader in creating the illegal drug supply which is destroying society. Leading cause of crime, homelessness, health costs, need for social charities and misery. I vote for all out assault on drug cartels, they kill more than 9-11. 1
sherpa Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 Not a mission for US military. The US military is not constructed to handle this type of thing. There are other options, but most wouldn't be possible without Mexican gov approval and leadership/participation. 2 2
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) On 3/7/2023 at 7:38 PM, Roundybout said: If Mexican authorities invite us to help with military operations, sure. Otherwise, it's the plot of Clear and Present Danger all over. Expand The problem is there are no authorities to deal with in Mexico. Invade the place and set up a 25 mile DMZ. Maybe use our military to actually defend our sovereignty instead of everyone else's for a change. Who's on board with the idea among the war supporters and lovers of democracy elsewhere? I'm sure the local law abiding Mexican population would welcome us. Edited March 7, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1
Roundybout Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 7:52 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: The problem is there are no authorities to deal with in Mexico. Invade the place and set up a 25 mile DMZ. Maybe use our military to actually defend our sovereignty instead of everyone else's for a change. Who's on board with the idea among the war supporters and lovers of democracy elsewhere? I'm sure the local law abiding Mexican population would welcome us. Expand Invading another sovereign nation is not acceptable. They need to ask for our help first.
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) On 3/7/2023 at 8:45 PM, Roundybout said: Invading another sovereign nation is not acceptable. They need to ask for our help first. Expand What? We do it all the time. Such as Syria. US forces are occupying parts of the country and I know for sure they didn't ask for "help". Edited March 7, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 7:41 PM, Niagara Bill said: Even a larger question, Mexico is the leader in creating the illegal drug supply which is destroying society. Leading cause of crime, homelessness, health costs, need for social charities and misery. I vote for all out assault on drug cartels, they kill more than 9-11. Expand They would be out of biz if not for insatiable demand. Perhaps we should work on the causes... 1
nedboy7 Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) On 3/7/2023 at 7:27 PM, Doc said: When? Under Dems, who don't care if the border is open and drugs and thugs are crossing unfettered? Expand Do you and @ArdmoreRyno understand how cartels move drugs into this country? Where did you read immigrants bring in drugs. Edited March 7, 2023 by nedboy7
wnyguy Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 Also if you get rid of the cartels the state of Arizonas government would collapse.
Doc Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 9:02 PM, nedboy7 said: Do you and @ArdmoreRyno understand how cartels move drugs into this country? Where did you read immigrants bring in drugs. Expand No one said it's (just) immigrants bringing in drugs. 2
nedboy7 Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 9:27 PM, Doc said: No one said it's (just) immigrants bringing in drugs. Expand It’s not immigrants. Immigrants trying to cross the border w their kids aren’t smuggling drugs. Has nothing to do with it. Doesn’t mean immigration isn’t an issue. But to combine the two is dishonest media manipulation. 1
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 8:56 PM, redtail hawk said: They would be out of biz if not for insatiable demand. Perhaps we should work on the causes... Expand Cause is availability and pressure. No one would abuse Ozempic without availability and advertising pressure. Eliminate source and 90% of future cases are eliminated.
LeviF Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 Long past time, tbh. Reagan should have sacked up when Kiki Camarena was tortured and killed. Would have headed off a lot of the problems we face now. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 10:17 PM, Niagara Bill said: Cause is availability and pressure. No one would abuse Ozempic without availability and advertising pressure. Eliminate source and 90% of future cases are eliminated. Expand I wish you were right. My understanding is that it's not that difficult to synthesize fentanyl. Someone else would take over. And if not, they'd find another high. idiots make meth in their garages.
Niagara Bill Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 10:30 PM, redtail hawk said: I wish you were right. My understanding is that it's not that difficult to synthesize fentanyl. Someone else would take over. And if not, they'd find another high. idiots make meth in their garages. Expand Remove social supports, clean needle programs etc, condemn the use and second chance judges and the future problem is reduced. 25 years for selling, life for production and add real import controls. Society is rotting from Mexican cartel activities. Don Corleone was right. 1 1
Doc Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 9:31 PM, nedboy7 said: It’s not immigrants. Immigrants trying to cross the border w their kids aren’t smuggling drugs. Has nothing to do with it. Doesn’t mean immigration isn’t an issue. But to combine the two is dishonest media manipulation. Expand They're using immigrants to overwhelm the border and distract from their drug running. But some immigrants absolutely are bringing drugs across with them. How do you think these people are getting to and across the border when they're so poor? And no, this isn't an anti-immigration stance, just anti-illegal immigration. 2 1
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