gonzo1105 Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 46 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: Dunno about a DT that only weighs 290....we already have one of these. I'd prefer some real beef at DT.....say 320-plus There aren’t many dominant 320 pound DTs anymore. The game has changed. Most 320 guys can’t get to the QB which is why you see DTs getting smaller. The top guys with those attributes go top 15 1 Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: There aren’t many dominant 320 pound DTs anymore. The game has changed. Most 320 guys can’t get to the QB which is why you see DTs getting smaller. The top guys with those attributes go top 15 Daron Payne is really the only one…and Dexter Lawrence, but he’s a different flavor. To me, I think what people really want but just don’t know it is a Jeffrey Simmons/Quinnen Williams/Christian Wilkins sized defensive tackle. 6-3, 305-310 range with the same quick first step as Ed Oliver. Find me one of those. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 Our very own @Astrobot ranked the TEs by the number of contacts the Bills have had with them: Based on this list, if I had to guess our possible targets: Round 1: Dalton Kincaid Round 2: Darnell Washington Round 3(or 4?): Luke Schoonmaker 1 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: Our very own @Astrobot ranked the TEs by the number of contacts the Bills have had with them: Based on this list, if I had to guess our possible targets: Round 1: Dalton Kincaid Round 2: Darnell Washington Round 3(or 4?): Luke Schoonmaker My favorite two and in that order. Please get one of them, Beane. Quote
HappyDays Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: My favorite two and in that order. Please get one of them, Beane. Yeah those would be my targets as well. Either get the best pure pass catching TE or the best pure blocking TE. Knox is already our jack of all trades TE. Get a specialist to round out the group. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) The list of top-30 visits so far: WR Jordan Addison WR Justin Shorter WR Zay Flowers WR Jalin Hyatt WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR Tank Dell TE Luke Schoonmaker TE Luke Musgrave TE Darnell Washington OT Darnell Wright G O'Cyrus Torrance DT Jacquelin Roy DT Zacch Pickens DT Gervon Dexter S Jordan Battle S/LB Marte Mapu Every 1st round pick we've made in the McDermott era was a top-30 visitor. Even Tre White although he wasn't a top-30 visitor for the Bills, he was for the Panthers when Beane was still with them. Last year it was reported very late in the process that Kaiir Elam was a top-30 visitor, almost like they tried to stealthily bring him in. If a similar report comes out the week of the draft you can just about lock that player in as our 1st rounder. Edited April 11, 2023 by HappyDays 2 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 11, 2023 Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The list of top-30 visits so far: WR Jordan Addison WR Justin Shorter WR Zay Flowers WR Jalin Hyatt WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR Tank Dell TE Luke Schoonmaker TE Luke Musgrave OT Darnell Wright G O'Cyrus Torrance DT Jacquelin Roy DT Zacch Pickens DT Gervon Dexter S Jordan Battle S/LB Marte Mapu Every 1st round pick we've made in the McDermott era was a top-30 visitor. Even Tre White although he wasn't a top-30 visitor for the Bills, he was for the Panthers when Beane was still with them. Last year it was reported very late in the process that Kaiir Elam was a top-30 visitor, almost like they tried to stealthily bring him in. If a similar report comes out the week of the draft you can just about lock that player in as our 1st rounder. I appreciate your posts. You are a huge contributor to this board! 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Every 1st round pick we've made in the McDermott era was a top-30 visitor. Even Tre White although he wasn't a top-30 visitor for the Bills, he was for the Panthers when Beane was still with them. Last year it was reported very late in the process that Kaiir Elam was a top-30 visitor, almost like they tried to stealthily bring him in. If a similar report comes out the week of the draft you can just about lock that player in as our 1st rounder. Hmmm that's very interesting... keep an eye on a late reported visit with Quentin Johnston or Dalton Kincaid then Edited April 11, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 2 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 To this point the only top 30 visits we know of that involve players with close to a first round value are with offensive players. There are four receivers - JSN, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison and Jalin Hyatt. I included Hyatt, though most consider him a second round value at this point. There are two offensive linemen - Darnell Wright and O'Cyrus Torrence. There is one tight end - Darnell Washington. Things could change over the next couple weeks, but given Beane's tendency to draft players in the first round with whom the Bills have had a top 30 visit, it sure looks like the Bills are planning on going offense with their first pick. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: To this point the only top 30 visits we know of that involve players with close to a first round value are with offensive players. There are four receivers - JSN, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison and Jalin Hyatt. I included Hyatt, though most consider him a second round value at this point. There are two offensive linemen - Darnell Wright and O'Cyrus Torrence. There is one tight end - Darnell Washington. Things could change over the next couple weeks, but given Beane's tendency to draft players in the first round with whom the Bills have had a top 30 visit, it sure looks like the Bills are planning on going offense with their first pick. Or guys people believe are first round grades aren’t really and will be available at 59. Too many draft board warriors dead set because the consensus says they are Luter is another prospect I really like. Most boards have him a 5th-6th round grade but I have a high round 4 grade on him. Fits the new mold of CB who can play man and zone that McDermott seems to be looking for 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 22 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Daron Payne is really the only one…and Dexter Lawrence, but he’s a different flavor. To me, I think what people really want but just don’t know it is a Jeffrey Simmons/Quinnen Williams/Christian Wilkins sized defensive tackle. 6-3, 305-310 range with the same quick first step as Ed Oliver. Find me one of those. Mazi Smith is a 323 lb DT with speed to be a force rushing the passer and chasing down plays. The question is, can he tap those measurables more effectively in the pros than in college. He was good, but not as disruptive as you might expect. He's being graded as a first round prospect mostly on the basis of measurables. 1 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: Or guys people believe are first round grades aren’t really and will be available at 59. Too many draft board warriors dead set because the consensus says they are It is always to be understood that perceptions of fans and media pundits don't always reflect the assessments of NFL scouts and GMs. Every year people are shocked by players who are picked a couple rounds ahead of where the mock drafts thought they'd be picked, or drop to day three when we all figured they would be first rounders for sure. But since we don't have access to the thinking of current GMs before the draft. . . Quote
gonzo1105 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said: It is always to be understood that perceptions of fans and media pundits don't always reflect the assessments of NFL scouts and GMs. Every year people are shocked by players who are picked a couple rounds ahead of where the mock drafts thought they'd be picked, or drop to day three when we all figured they would be first rounders for sure. But since we don't have access to the thinking of current GMs before the draft. . . Or you can evaluate players on your own and come to your own consensus just saying, but everyone wants to be lazy then act aghast at the team after they don’t choose a guy. It’s the same way in college ball, how dare this coach not go after a 5 star player 1 Quote
Yantha Posted April 12, 2023 Author Posted April 12, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 10:19 PM, gonzo1105 said: There aren’t many dominant 320 pound DTs anymore. The game has changed. Most 320 guys can’t get to the QB which is why you see DTs getting smaller. The top guys with those attributes go top 15 I'm not sure I agree on that one, with respect. The league (and every sport really) is all about bigger, faster, stronger. On one way you might be right by adding "leaner". 1 Quote
nosejob Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 10 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Mazi Smith is a 323 lb DT with speed to be a force rushing the passer and chasing down plays. The question is, can he tap those measurables more effectively in the pros than in college. He was good, but not as disruptive as you might expect. He's being graded as a first round prospect mostly on the basis of measurables. Fool's Gold 1 Quote
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