leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: He did plead guilty, and here "Tracy Beanz" brushes that aside with a "well, we all know that the false statements charge is one often used for purposes other than intended." (?) And, of course, Trump fired Flynn, who is now suing for Flynndication, which will no doubt reveal all sorts of other Flynndiocy. Oh, and consider his defender here, Q Anon fellow traveler "Tracy Beanz" (Diaz): https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531 Qanon was just another unremarkable part of the “anon” genre until November 2017, when two moderators of the 4chan board where Q posted predictions, who went by the usernames Pamphlet Anon and BaruchtheScribe, reached out to Tracy Diaz, according to Diaz’s blogs and YouTube videos. BaruchtheScribe, in reality a self-identified web programmer from South Africa named Paul Furber, confirmed that account to NBC News. “A bunch of us decided that the message needed to go wider so we contacted Youtubers who had been commenting on the Q drops,” Furber said in an email. Diaz, a small-time YouTube star who once hosted a talk show on the fringe right-wing network Liberty Movement Radio, had found moderate popularity with a couple of thousand views for her YouTube videos analyzing WikiLeaks releases and discussing the "pizzagate" conspiracy, a baseless theory that alleged a child sex ring was being run out of a Washington pizza shop. As Diaz tells it in a blog post detailing her role in the early days of Qanon, she banded together with the two moderators. Their goal, according to Diaz, was to build a following for Qanon — which would mean bigger followings for them as well. You’re lost in the weeds here. Everything that went into the Flynndictment has to be weighed with respect to Flynndication. The indictment came, the doj squeeze was applied, the decision to plea was weighed and made, additional information is alleged to have come to light, the defense considered if the please was flYNn his best interest, the DOJ reconsidered the case and came to see it as a dog, and the case limped off into the corner and The Pardon came. It was dead or dying on the vine. One can be a Qanon believer and still be a victim of overreach and tyranny. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: tyranny Well that's a leap. Point taken on the prosecution. But in your search for the larger context, you miss the largest context - the context that this discussion is about. 1. Flynn lied. He lied to investigators. He also liked to the VP, which is why Trump fired him: https://www.vox.com/2017/12/2/16727988/trump-michael-flynn-fbi-lies-obstruction 2. Yes, the Government moved to dismiss in 2020. More accurately: the Trump/Barr Government moved to dismiss. Which was so bizarre that the judge ordered special briefings on exactly what was going on here: https://www.vox.com/2017/12/2/16727988/trump-michael-flynn-fbi-lies-obstruction Which one was politicized, the prosecution or the dismissal (and then pardon)? Maybe the answer is "both." That's in the eye of the beholder. But the fact remains: liar. Proven liar. And nutjob.
ChiGoose Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Thread continues with more documentary proof that won't matter to asshat hoaxers such as @SectionC3 @BillStime @ChiGoose et al. As always these mofos can continue to ***** right off... It’s a day ending in “y” so you’re thinking about me. Very flattered! 🥰🥰🥰🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈 1
Pokebball Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Which one was politicized, the prosecution or the dismissal (and then pardon)? Maybe the answer is "both." Both 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Well that's a leap. Point taken on the prosecution. But in your search for the larger context, you miss the largest context - the context that this discussion is about. 1. Flynn lied. He lied to investigators. He also liked to the VP, which is why Trump fired him: https://www.vox.com/2017/12/2/16727988/trump-michael-flynn-fbi-lies-obstruction 2. Yes, the Government moved to dismiss in 2020. More accurately: the Trump/Barr Government moved to dismiss. Which was so bizarre that the judge ordered special briefings on exactly what was going on here: https://www.vox.com/2017/12/2/16727988/trump-michael-flynn-fbi-lies-obstruction Which one was politicized, the prosecution or the dismissal (and then pardon)? Maybe the answer is "both." That's in the eye of the beholder. But the fact remains: liar. Proven liar. And nutjob. Both were politicized. And Joe Biden is a proven liar and likely much, much worse and he was elected king. One involved steamrolling an opponent, destroying him and his family, and putting him jail. The other involved recognizing that the other involved steamrolling an opponent, destroying him and his family and putting him in jail. Seems like an easy choice for fair minded Americans, especially in light of Washington politics. The problem is people only want to be fair minded when their guy is defining “fairness”. Then they have want to lob in QAnon!! to distract from the issues. 1 2 1
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Agreed, a pardon. Hoax. He didn’t receive the pardon in consideration for the plea. The pardon was given as an override of the justice system by a president who neither respects nor understands the rule of law. 1
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re lost in the weeds here. Everything that went into the Flynndictment has to be weighed with respect to Flynndication. The indictment came, the doj squeeze was applied, the decision to plea was weighed and made, additional information is alleged to have come to light, the defense considered if the please was flYNn his best interest, the DOJ reconsidered the case and came to see it as a dog, and the case limped off into the corner and The Pardon came. It was dead or dying on the vine. One can be a Qanon believer and still be a victim of overreach and tyranny. Hoax. There has never been a Flynndication. He’s a criminal. He just happened to luck into a pardon. 1 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. He didn’t receive the pardon in consideration for the plea. The pardon was given as an override of the justice system by a president who neither respects nor understands the rule of law. He received the pardon because the pardon was extended. The rest is speculation as viewed through a hyper-partisan lens, which is fine for you and the spinsters in your book club, but irrelevant generally. From Leh-nerd's Informed Treatise on Political Discourse: 18. Those opposed to a presidential pardon generally don't like the president or his party. And don't you dare hoax me again. 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. There has never been a Flynndication. He’s a criminal. He just happened to luck into a pardon. Oh, there was a Flynndication, Jack, I assure you of that! 1
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: He received the pardon because the pardon was extended. The rest is speculation as viewed through a hyper-partisan lens, which is fine for you and the spinsters in your book club, but irrelevant generally. From Leh-nerd's Informed Treatise on Political Discourse: 18. Those opposed to a presidential pardon generally don't like the president or his party. And don't you dare hoax me again. Oh, there was a Flynndication, Jack, I assure you of that! Hoax. Only a small number of applications for a pardon are granted. He was one of the lucky ones.
The Frankish Reich Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 All yesterday’s news. So … is the Persecution of Mike Flynn (or the Persecution Complex of Mike Flynn) responsible for making him the nut he is today? He used to be a serious person; now he’s calling for martial law. I don’t want him anywhere near the levers of power again. 2 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 Continuing with an extra ***** off to @The Frankish Reich 1
Pokebball Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don’t want him anywhere near the levers of power again. Yeah, I don't either. What I find most interesting, intriguing and disturbing about today's story about Flynn is his information about the institution(s) that currently have the power (and the levers of power).
The Frankish Reich Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) Some weird Q Anon blogger: but they made Mike Flynn lie! Did they make him lie to Mike Pence too? Simple solution: tell the truth; it’s easier to remember. Edited July 10, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Some weird Q Anon blogger: but they made Mike Flynn lie! Did they make him lie to Mike Pence too? Simple solution: tell the truth; it’s easier to remember. FBI Director Comey publicly boasted of his intent to entrap Flynn. Sure Flynn fell for it. But this admission at a minimum should tell you Comey's intentions were tainted. I might add, he also admitted passing confidential information to his contact at the NY Times leaking news of an ongoing investigation (a real big no-no according to AG Garland) and by way of some slight of hand somehow avoided any charges under the now famous Espionage Act. Yet another pesky exception to that nobody is above the law mantra most curiously when the perpetrator provides an unambiguous public confession. A slamdunk prosecution for any first year law student. But surprise! Off to the talk show circuit instead of jail.
The Frankish Reich Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: FBI Director Comey publicly boasted of his intent to entrap Flynn. Sure Flynn fell for it. But this admission at a minimum should tell you Comey's intentions were tainted. I might add, he also admitted passing confidential information to his contact at the NY Times leaking news of an ongoing investigation (a real big no-no according to AG Garland) and by way of some slight of hand somehow avoided any charges under the now famous Espionage Act. Yet another pesky exception to that nobody is above the law mantra most curiously when the perpetrator provides an unambiguous public confession. A slamdunk prosecution for any first year law student. But surprise! Off to the talk show circuit instead of jail. I don’t think you understand what “entrapment” means in US law. Flynn had ALREADY LIED in January 2017 to Pence and Sean Spicer, claiming his calls to the Russian ambassador had nothing to do with sanctions. Trump himself tweeted that he fired Flynn for that reason. He did it again to federal investigators. Here’s a handy timeline: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna720671 Edited July 10, 2023 by The Frankish Reich
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. Only a small number of applications for a pardon are granted. He was one of the lucky ones. I feel like you're arguing only with yourself. A small number of applications for a pardon are granted, and he was granted a pardon. I would not argue that was unlucky for him. Kismet. We agree.
The Frankish Reich Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I feel like you're arguing only with yourself. A small number of applications for a pardon are granted, and he was granted a pardon. I would not argue that was unlucky for him. Kismet. We agree. What we will never know: did Flynn plead guilty and promise other things (not implicating Trump? First son in law Jared?) in exchange for a promised pardon? Note that Flynn also "forgot" to disclose that he was lobbying for the government of Turkey prior to his appointment to the tune of about half a million dollars - he filed the paperwork after his appointment. Ann all-around creep and grifter who has somehow - the only way I can think of is by pandering to the Q Anons - become a cause celebre for the nutcase fringe right.
BillsFanNC Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 "No reasonable prosecutor" would proceed... Gee, where have we heard that language before? Commie left are complete frauds.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: I don’t think you understand what “entrapment” means in US law. Flynn had ALREADY LIED in January 2017 to Pence and Sean Spicer, claiming his calls to the Russian ambassador had nothing to do with sanctions. Trump himself tweeted that he fired Flynn for that reason. He did it again to federal investigators. Here’s a handy timeline: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna720671 The cult chooses very curious things to care about and very specific times to care about them. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: What we will never know: did Flynn plead guilty and promise other things (not implicating Trump? First son in law Jared?) in exchange for a promised pardon? Note that Flynn also "forgot" to disclose that he was lobbying for the government of Turkey prior to his appointment to the tune of about half a million dollars - he filed the paperwork after his appointment. Ann all-around creep and grifter who has somehow - the only way I can think of is by pandering to the Q Anons - become a cause celebre for the nutcase fringe right. "What we will never know..." is the standard bearer for conspiracy theorists and pimply-faced virgins, Frank. Out of respect for you and the high standards of this board, I will assume you are neither (for now). Though, you're really, really hooked into this Qanon thing. Let's go with what we know. "Lying..." generally is a standard enforced in the political realm only when politically expedient. I won't rehash trafficking in confidential information, removing classified documents from one(s) days in the Senate, unmasking, FISA abuse(s), spying on opposition candidates etc, but we can place that to the side for a minute and pretend that I'm wrong. What we know for certain is the case against Flynn was messy, based on notes from the investigation, the inference of malice, the withholding of information from defense, and the ultimate decision by DOJ to scuttle the whole she'bang. We know that Trump pardoned Flynn, that Trump had the right to pardon Flynn (unless you all are still on the Trump wasn't legitimately elected bandwagon), and everyone knows that every president pardons someone the other side complains about.
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