John from Riverside Posted July 8, 2023 Posted July 8, 2023 This coming from the guy that was literally found guilty and had to be pardoned by trump You do realize that whenever you accept a pardon, you are admitting guilt Michael Flynn is a criminal and an embarrassment to the Armed Forces 1 1 1
Pokebball Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This coming from the guy that was literally found guilty and had to be pardoned by trump You do realize that whenever you accept a pardon, you are admitting guilt Michael Flynn is a criminal and an embarrassment to the Armed Forces I think he's an extreme partisan. But he wasn't found guilty. He accepted a plea deal. And then you falsely claim that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt?
John from Riverside Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Pokebball said: I think he's an extreme partisan. But he wasn't found guilty. He accepted a plea deal. And then you falsely claim that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt? Are you saying that Trump did not pardon him? And plea deals are admission of guilt. Why should a general be in a position where he has to take a plea deal it’s because he was a ***** criminal Edited July 9, 2023 by John from Riverside 2
BillsFanNC Posted July 9, 2023 Author Posted July 9, 2023 Amen. 🎯 Full text of tweet... .@RobertKennedyJr you are correct in stating there must be necessary reforms in our various agencies, but those reforms you describe are not what we need. For us to create a domestic and an international intelligence and espionage capability, we must start first with a mission that matches our constitution and aligns with an acceptable culture that is based on values and principles that are acceptable to our American way of life. And these must then be rigorously adhered to. Once these are brought into alignment, then we can begin to fix the lines and the blocks of various organizational charts. Moving boxes and creating walls furthers the current ability of those elected & unelected bureaucrats who wish to usurp the constitution and disregard the rule of law. National security is the sole responsibility of the POTUS…that is where the buck stops. If you walk in with your current paradigm, these out of control agencies will laugh in your face, still cash their large black program checks, and wait you out or worse, completely undermine your presidency. It is high time for severe government reform…any future POTUS, you, @realDonaldTrump or anyone, must be prepared to face headwinds that would stop an aircraft carrier in its own wake on a dime. Lastly, regardless of where you or others stand, a future POTUS must acknowledge that all federal “intelligence” and “law enforcement” agencies are deeply compromised. The next America First POTUS must move quickly to correct this problem. Trust me, there are too many foreign agents freely operating inside of our country and they all have domestic enablers. These compromised “leaders” are why we have as many of the problems we have dating as far back as WWII. If we continue to allow foreign networks to operate with impunity because of certain domestic enablers, and these are not immediately shutdown, America is doomed. There is a way out of this valley of the shadow of darkness. There are good, clear solutions to all problems…what feels impossible is simply a starting point. God Bless America
T master Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 12:47 PM, BillsFanNC said: Good. Good someone needs to stand up to the gov't especially when they ruin a person that had a distinguished career defending the country that screwed him over all because they didn't agree with the POTUS ...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 22 hours ago, Pokebball said: But he wasn't found guilty. He accepted a plea deal. Technical point, but: He pleaded guilty. Not an "Alford plea" of no contest without an admission of guilt. So yes, it is correct that he admitted guilt before a judge.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 22 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Are you saying that Trump did not pardon him? And plea deals are admission of guilt. Why should a general be in a position where he has to take a plea deal it’s because he was a ***** criminal Plea deals occur for a variety of reasons, and surely you know that. There are absolutely no guarantees an innocent person prevails nor a guilty person is convicted. Again, surely you know that. Meanwhile, legal fees can break a person, the pressure exerted on a defendant and his/her family is incalculable. Looking at the Flynn debacle as a black and white issue ignores the realities of the case, and paints you with a purely partisan brush. Trump pardoned him because he felt Flynn had been targeted maliciously, and there certainly is evidence that may have occurred. The DOJ ultimately dropped the case, and then AG William Barr explained why that occurred. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-case-dismissal-william-barr-attorney-general/ Things happen. Facts are revealed. It’s complicated.
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Plea deals occur for a variety of reasons, and surely you know that. There are absolutely no guarantees an innocent person prevails nor a guilty person is convicted. Again, surely you know that. Meanwhile, legal fees can break a person, the pressure exerted on a defendant and his/her family is incalculable. Looking at the Flynn debacle as a black and white issue ignores the realities of the case, and paints you with a purely partisan brush. Trump pardoned him because he felt Flynn had been targeted maliciously, and there certainly is evidence that may have occurred. The DOJ ultimately dropped the case, and then AG William Barr explained why that occurred. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-flynn-case-dismissal-william-barr-attorney-general/ Things happen. Facts are revealed. It’s complicated. And yet he pleaded guilty. On 7/8/2023 at 8:11 PM, Pokebball said: I think he's an extreme partisan. But he wasn't found guilty. He accepted a plea deal. And then you falsely claim that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt? Hoax. He pleaded guilty.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 8 hours ago, SectionC3 said: And yet he pleaded guilty. Previously covered, but thank you. 1
BillsFanNC Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 Let's review Flynn case.. 1. He never discussed sanctions with Kislyak as call transcript made clear. 2. FBI notes before interviewing him stated that their goal was to "get him to lie." 3. Agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that he lied. 4. They threatened to charge Flynns son for a different non crime if he didn't accept plea. 5. The DOJ/FBI are hopelessly corrupt and weaponized against their political opponents. Not that any of these facts will make a bit of difference to the hoax believer @SectionC3 marxist @BillStime or the totally lost @John from Riverside But it's a good refresher for those of us living under a blue sky. 1 1
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Let's review Flynn case.. 1. He never discussed sanctions with Kislyak as call transcript made clear. 2. FBI notes before interviewing him stated that their goal was to "get him to lie." 3. Agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that he lied. 4. They threatened to charge Flynns son for a different non crime if he didn't accept plea. 5. The DOJ/FBI are hopelessly corrupt and weaponized against their political opponents. Not that any of these facts will make a bit of difference to the hoax believer @SectionC3 marxist @BillStime or the totally lost @John from Riverside But it's a good refresher for those of us living under a blue sky. And yet he pleaded guilty.
Pokebball Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: And yet he pleaded guilty. What did he get in return? 1
B-Man Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 EXCLUSIVE: Documents Reveal Rush to Target Trump’s National Security Pick in Obama’s Waning Days as President Fred Lucas https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/07/07/exclusive-217-pages-reveal-obama-admins-building-of-trump-russia-narrative/ .
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Pokebball said: What did he get in return? Exactly what he deserved.
BillsFanNC Posted July 10, 2023 Author Posted July 10, 2023 Thread continues with more documentary proof that won't matter to asshat hoaxers such as @SectionC3 @BillStime @ChiGoose et al. As always these mofos can continue to ***** right off...
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, BillsFanNC said: Thread continues with more documentary proof that won't matter to asshat hoaxers such as @SectionC3 @BillStime @ChiGoose et al. As always these mofos can continue to ***** right off... Hoax. I’m sorry that your pal in the field of conspiracy theories admitted his guilt. Actually that’s a hoax, too. When criminals plead guilty I don’t feel badly for them. Like it or lump it, your boy is a criminal. Until you can accept that, I guess you’re against the rule of law. Sad. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Exactly what he deserved. Agreed, a pardon. 1 1 1
BillStime Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Thread continues Was Julie Kelly not available for comment? 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 10, 2023 Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Hoax. I’m sorry that your pal in the field of conspiracy theories admitted his guilt. Actually that’s a hoax, too. When criminals plead guilty I don’t feel badly for them. Like it or lump it, your boy is a criminal. Until you can accept that, I guess you’re against the rule of law. Sad. He did plead guilty, and here "Tracy Beanz" brushes that aside with a "well, we all know that the false statements charge is one often used for purposes other than intended." (?) And, of course, Trump fired Flynn, who is now suing for Flynndication, which will no doubt reveal all sorts of other Flynndiocy. Oh, and consider his defender here, Q Anon fellow traveler "Tracy Beanz" (Diaz): https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531 Qanon was just another unremarkable part of the “anon” genre until November 2017, when two moderators of the 4chan board where Q posted predictions, who went by the usernames Pamphlet Anon and BaruchtheScribe, reached out to Tracy Diaz, according to Diaz’s blogs and YouTube videos. BaruchtheScribe, in reality a self-identified web programmer from South Africa named Paul Furber, confirmed that account to NBC News. “A bunch of us decided that the message needed to go wider so we contacted Youtubers who had been commenting on the Q drops,” Furber said in an email. Diaz, a small-time YouTube star who once hosted a talk show on the fringe right-wing network Liberty Movement Radio, had found moderate popularity with a couple of thousand views for her YouTube videos analyzing WikiLeaks releases and discussing the "pizzagate" conspiracy, a baseless theory that alleged a child sex ring was being run out of a Washington pizza shop. As Diaz tells it in a blog post detailing her role in the early days of Qanon, she banded together with the two moderators. Their goal, according to Diaz, was to build a following for Qanon — which would mean bigger followings for them as well.
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