We are probably losing Jordan but the free agent safety class is pretty deep

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Terrell Edmunds. Loose an Edmunds, add an Edmunds.

Steelers fans in understand don’t like their Edmunds either 

[Big Turk]

Josh Johnson please

9 minutes ago, boater said:

When you account for total tax burden (Income Tax, Property Tax, Sales Tax, etc.) New York is the highest taxed state in the union. Yay, we're #1 in something.

 

https://taxfoundation.org/tax-burden-by-state-2022/

 

 

 

You make up for it by paying $1000 less a month on your mortgage tho

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, RG Murdock said:

Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous.....   Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!)  Not an excuse.     

 

The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are:

 

California 13.3%

Hawaii 11%

New Jersey 10.75%

Oregon 9.9%

Pennsylvania 9.8

Minnesota 9.85%

Washington 8.95%

New York 8.82%

Iowa 8.53%

Wisconsin 7.65%

 

This chart is wrong.  PA is only 3.07.   https://www.revenue.pa.gov/Tax Rates/Pages/default.aspx

 

Poyer is also likely accounting for county and other taxes.  

 

Meanwhile, NYS tax is higher than in the chart, and for Poyer, likely 9.65%  https://www.thebalancemoney.com/new-york-personal-income-tax-3193284

 

 

3 hours ago, RG Murdock said:

Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous.....   Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!)  Not an excuse.     

 

The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are:

 

California 13.3%

Hawaii 11%

New Jersey 10.75%

Oregon 9.9%

Pennsylvania 9.8

Minnesota 9.85%

Washington 8.95%

New York 8.82%

Iowa 8.53%

Wisconsin 7.65%

 

Not only is the above chart wrong (some states listed too high, others too low); but FL is not a net "taker".  The state tax levels have zero impact on how federal taxes are distributed.  

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, RG Murdock said:

Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous.....   Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!)  Not an excuse.     

 

The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are:

 

California 13.3%

Hawaii 11%

New Jersey 10.75%

Oregon 9.9%

Pennsylvania 9.8

Minnesota 9.85%

Washington 8.95%

New York 8.82%

Iowa 8.53%

Wisconsin 7.65%

he’s going to hate finding out federal tax was the issue and that half his game checks weren’t even taxed in NY 

Edited March 2, 2023 by NoSaint

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Not to mention the Bills very likely could sign a guy who is currently a NB on another team. 

[uticaclub]

53 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Steelers fans in understand don’t like their Edmunds either 

This one is cheaper

[RocCityRoller]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

he’s going to hate finding out federal tax was the issue and that half his game checks weren’t even taxed in NY 

 

Pretty sure all of his bonuses which were close to 50% of his income last season are taxed at the state the team pays taxes to.

Poyer earned $10.27 million or $10.01 depending on the source.

 

$4.4-$4.6 million were bonuses all taxable by NYS

$5.6 million was game day checks - half of those were played in NY so $2.8 million more was NYS taxable

 

4.4+2.8 = 7.2

4.6+2.8 = 7.4

 

either number you use, over 70% of his income was taxed by NYS

income over $5m is taxed at 10.3%

 

Its also not that hard to compare a game day check earned in NY, versus one earned in FL and see the difference.

 

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Pretty sure all of his bonuses which were close to 50% of his income last season are taxed at the state the team pays taxes to.

Poyer earned $10.27 million or $10.01 depending on the source.

 

$4.4-$4.6 million were bonuses all taxable by NYS

$5.6 million was game day checks - half of those were played in NY so $2.8 million more was NYS taxable

 

4.4+2.8 = 7.2

4.6+2.8 = 7.4

 

either number you use, over 70% of his income was taxed by NYS

income over $5m is taxed at 10.3%

 

Its also not that hard to compare a game day check earned in NY, versus one earned in FL and see the difference.

 

Yes but 10% of 70% is not “half my check” status either if we are auditing claims 

[Bubba Gump]

Jordan is gone. He deleted all his Buffalo Bills pics and everything Bills related from his IG. See ya dude. Your time here was awesome, but your time as an elite player is over. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just get Harrison Smith, problem solved...

[Yantha]

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

I think the draft piece has to depend on what McBeane truly think of Benford, no?

 

I'd let Poyer walk, sign a vet S, transition Benford and bring back Marlowe.  That gives us Hyde - Vet Safety, with Benford and Marlowe as depth.  Hamlin, we'll see how that goes.  

 

Then draft a CB on Day 3 to compete with Dane Jackson for depth behind White and Elam. 

I don't know actually.  Is this Benford "our" idea, or has Beane talked about it?  

 

 

[Saxum]

13 hours ago, freddyjj said:

John Johnson if cut by Browns could be a 2nd wave signing.  Problem being he is a deep field cover guy which is primarily Hyde's gig.  

 

Replace a safety from Browns for safety from Browns?

People will start talking.

 

One thing we will never get like we got with Jordan Poyer is a safety who would go one-on-one on an offense lineman and push him back.

I was in a bar and and was asked who that LB was and I told him it was our safety pushing the lineman whose reaction was "Who the F are you?"

(Lesley pulled a DL around end in a blitz and Poyer was supposed to occupy lineman and he did more)

[Nephilim17]

7 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

$4.4-$4.6 million were bonuses all taxable by NYS

 

If this figure includes signing bonus prorated for the year, then maybe not.  Someone posted an article by sports accountants and it said that signing bonuses could be taxable by state of residence. Not sure his state of residence.

Now if some of this includes other bonuses, I'm not sure.

[buffblue]

13 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Probably an unpopular opinion: With all of the injury concerns he showed this season combined with his age I think it's better to let him walk. 

Fortunately it seems the Bills agree with this line of thinking. As productive as Poyer has been, you don't spend significant money for a 32 year old player at a non premium position given our limited resources

[Simon Says]

On 3/1/2023 at 11:28 PM, uticaclub said:

Terrell Edmunds. Lose an Edmunds, add an Edmunds.

Do you think the Edmunds Brothers try to team up? Buffalo? Pittsburgh? Or?

[MJS]

21 hours ago, RG Murdock said:

Poyer stating NY taxes take half his money is ludicrous.....   Below is the top ten high state income tax list for earners making over $500K+ (The highest bracket) from Wiki for 2021. I don't see players bitching about going to the California teams, Pennsylvania teams, New Jersey teams, Green Bay, Minnesota etc. etc. Not everybody can go to Florida (BTW, a net "Taker" state that gets money from NY, NJ, CA etc. every year to help keep their taxes low!)  Not an excuse.     

 

The top 10 highest income tax states for 2021 are:

 

California 13.3%

Hawaii 11%

New Jersey 10.75%

Oregon 9.9%

Pennsylvania 9.8

Minnesota 9.85%

Washington 8.95%

New York 8.82%

Iowa 8.53%

Wisconsin 7.65%

Not sure where you are getting your info from, but New York's highest rate is 10.9%. This is third highest state in the nation behind California and Hawaii.

 

Federal is what does the most damage, though, with a 37% bracket. So Poyer is likely paying half his money to taxes, but the bulk is federal.

[machine gun kelly]

22 hours ago, somnus00 said:

With payroll so top heavy, this team needs an injection of young cheap talent. The pro and college scouting depts have their work cut out this offseason.

 

Well thought out point.  We need a hit in this years draft.

[Saxum]

13 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Jordan is gone. He deleted all his Buffalo Bills pics and everything Bills related from his IG. See ya dude. Your time here was awesome, but your time as an elite player is over. 

 

Hope he realizes that when he does that fans are less likely to donate to his charity as well.

[Rebel101]

On 3/1/2023 at 10:14 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

I’d love to have Jordan back but hey it’s the market… someone like Duron Harmon or Adrian Amos  I wouldn’t exactly hate the Bills signing to pair with Micah 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-free-agent-rankings-safety 

What about bringing the Edmunds in and keeping the brothers together. I think 49 has his best years ahead of him and I honestly wasn’t very impressed his first few seasons. But I believe the youngster is coming along 

[GreggTX]

Get someone younger and cheaper. Spend the difference on the OL.