Leslie Frazier "taking a year off from coaching" per Bills PR

[BillsCuse]

13 minutes ago, Georgia Bill said:

I sure hope next year at this time everybody's not sitting around griping about how much the defense sucked.  It seems like a lot of Bills fans are now spoiled and feel they deserve nothing less than a super bowl win.  Of course that's the goal, but getting incrementally better is a much safer approach than blowing things up.  We had a very good D.  Yes it didn't always look great in the playoffs but there you are playing the best offenses.  Having a top 5 D consistently is nothing to sneeze at and things might have been different this year without the Hyde and Von Miller injuries, to name a couple. 

 

Things don't always get better just because you want to celeubrate change.  I'll hope for the best now that this is done.  Wishing Frazier the best and I'm thankful for what he did for our team.

Agree, the grass isn't always greener...

[Thurman#1]

Just now, BillsCuse said:

Agree, the grass isn't always greener...

 

 

Yup.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Anyone have a feeling the defensive scheme will be exactly the same..? My hope has not been captured yet. 

I don't think there's any doubt the scheme will be the same.   The play calling and some other tactics may change, but the scheme will be the same.  

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Good in the Miami game? They had a third string scrub QB, missing top running back and a few offensive linemen. They had a chance to win. If Tua was playing we lose that game.

It’s like you don’t even look at the drive charts and the stats. 

3 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Did you watch the game? Did you see the wide open drops their receivers had? How may points did they put up against the jets? If you felt comfortable at any point that we were in control and were absolutely positive we were going to win you are nothing but a liar. But keep up the personal attacks cause they make you appear so smart👍

I am questioning whether you watched the game. Every team has botched plays on offense (looking at you, Shakir). Look at the numbers and the drive charts. This is a bad hill to die on. Focus on the Cincy game and take the easy W.

Edited March 1, 2023 by dave mcbride

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

If it’s so simple then why don’t they just say that?

The same reason some high profile positions in companies are given the option to “resign” rather than be publicly fired. It lets them save face, but the organization still sever ties. It also shows future candidates for the position they will be treated with respect. You are supposed to read between the lines.

[dave mcbride]

23 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The thing about the playoff problems is that we didn't have  playoff problems.

 

We had three games in the playoff problems. 

 

All three of those games were without Von Miller or any serious pass rush. 

 

Without the wave of defensive injuries it would very possibly have been an entirely different game on that side of the ball. Of course, the defense wasn't good against the Bengals but the offense was absolutely horrific. 

 

That was probably Frazier's fault too.

The performance against Cincy was bad, but I honestly get the sense that way way too many posters on this site are unaware of how crucial DaQuon Jones was to the Bills this season. Him being out that game along with Miller, Hyde, and Hamlin down for the count put the Bills at a real disadvantage, personnel wise.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

13 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

The same reason some high profile positions in companies are given the option to “resign” rather than be publicly fired. It lets them save face, but the organization still sever ties. It also shows future candidates for the position they will be treated with respect. You are supposed to read between the lines.

Oh I am reading between the lines, but not the way you’re thinking. If McDermott publicly fires his DC and assistant head coach his seat gets hotter. Putting it this way is a deflection and self-preservation technique. It’s not altruistic. 

 

but yes you’re right it also benefits Frazier. Due to the timing, I think they were hoping Frazier got hired somewhere else but knew all along he’d be gone. 

[Figster]

 

[Beck Water]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So we could get compensation if he got hired somewhere else.

 

As far as I know, having a coach under contract voluntarily take a year off from coaching is damned near unprecedented.

So I have no idea how the NFL would handle it if he came back and the Bills said "oh, he's a member of our staff still, so we get compensated if you hire him"

 

But folks here have to make up their damned minds - either Frazier is not under contract, and therefore if someone else hires him now or next year no compensation to the Bills - or, if compensation is a possible motivation for how the Bills are handling things  he is under contract, not only this year but next, and the "smoke" that Frazier was not under contract to the Bills is without fire.
 

6 hours ago, ngbills said:

Funny the excuses people make to avoid believing this was Frazier's choice. He was asked to take a demotion, lowball offer, was talking him into retiring, waited for another team that had not even interviewed him to hire him. 

 

If that is really the case do you realize how disorganized the front office would be? Let's wait to fire our guy and have no chance to hire a bunch of other good candidates. They took this long to make a decision, wow? They have not even started working on next year anyway. There is no positive spin if this was the actual case.

 

Is it that hard to accept that he either does not want to be here next year or needs a year off? So protective of McD and Beane that people believe ridiculous theories to not tarnish that. 

 

What you write here seems a bit contradictory.  You seem to be saying that people believe ridiculous theories in order to "not tarnish" McDermott andd Beane - and then point out that those ridiculous theories would, in fact tarnish McDermott and Beane badly by showing a poor level of organization and leadership.  Then you seem to imply that believing Frazier needs a year off or doesn't want to be here next year would "tarnish" them, whereas there are multiple reasons why Frazier might need a year away from the game that do not tarnish them (medical, family, reaction to the Hamlin incident, frustration with being passed over for job offers and needing time to process/reset/reflect)

[cgg716]

It's just odd to me, because it seems so obvious, and people are still defending Fraiser. He plays a style of defense, popularized 20 years ago, before 3 WR sets were even common, without even talking about quick passing and jet motion. Game passed him.by, just like many before him.... Wish him well and enjoy that we've taken step one towards trying to win it all

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Well I still get the feeling it could be just a respectful gesture by both sides as a way for parting ways.....

 

And I'm aware what Beane said etc...but I still feel that's possibly what it is. 

 

That's one possibility, yes.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

I think most ppl definitely has plenty of respect for him, I mean he's earned that for sure....that said while many have much respect they also feel like it's time to move on

 

At least on this forum, there seems to be a sizeable and vocal contingent who do not respect Frazier....examples:

 

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Sorry for any Frazier defenders but our last 2 Postseason losses have really soured me on Frazier as a Sunday big game gameplanner.

The defensive gameplan against the Bengals was absolutely criminal.

 

39 minutes ago, Figster said:

 

 

I'm not saying these aren't fair points, but people seem to forget that he did run a defense that was consistently good and GOT us to the playoffs.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[Doc Brown]

14 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If you want to know about how to feel about this, listen to the latest Locked On Bills podcast

You base your feelings on some guy's opinion?  Why, what he'd say?

[Figster]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

At least on this forum, there seems to be a sizeable and vocal contingent who do not respect Frazier....examples:

 

 

 

I'm not saying these aren't fair points, but people seem to forget that he did run a defense that was consistently good and GOT us to the playoffs.

The Bills had a very tough time getting traction vs Cinci and that alone put the Bills Secondary on its collective heels IMO. 

 

We know McD himself will be an upgrade though right?

[Fan in Chicago]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

At least on this forum, there seems to be a sizeable and vocal contingent who do not respect Frazier....

 

 

 

I'm not saying these aren't fair points, but people seem to forget that he did run a defense that was consistently good and GOT us to the playoffs.

One can simultaneously respect Frazier as a person and as a DC yet also believe that he is not good enough to help the team win the Superbowl. 

[Beck Water]

18 minutes ago, Figster said:

The Bills had a very tough time getting traction vs Cinci and that alone put the Bills Secondary on its collective heels IMO. 

 

We know McD himself will be an upgrade though right?

That was a big puzzle to me, why that was the case.  Did not seem to be slowing Cincy at all

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

I'm obviously late to the party, as this is page 34, but next year we're really gonna see if our defensive woes were really Fraizer, or a product of something else 

 

That simple 1:1 comparison only works if the depth chart is the same year-to-year, and I think we all know there will and/or should be some FAs who move on in 2023...

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The performance against Cincy was bad, but I honestly get the sense that way way too many posters on this site are unaware of how crucial DaQuon Jones was to the Bills this season. Him being out that game along with Miller, Hyde, and Hamlin down for the count put the Bills at a real disadvantage, personnel wise.

 

Injuries were a big problem. But the Chiefs didn't have Von Miller, Micah Hyde, or DaQuan Jones when they held the Bengals to 20 points. Even with our injuries was the Chiefs defense really that much more talented than the defense we fielded in the divisional round? Multiple rookie CBs including a 7th rounder, an iffy safety tandem, meh edge rushers. Chris Jones is obviously elite and Nick Bolton appears to be a rising star. But the Bengals scored 27 against us in a game where they only tried to score for 3 quarters. Against the Chiefs they fought to the very end and came away with 20. To me the difference in those outcomes is a coaching discrepancy much more than a talent discrepancy.

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by HappyDays

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Oh I am reading between the lines, but not the way you’re thinking. If McDermott publicly fires his DC and assistant head coach his seat gets hotter. Putting it this way is a deflection and self-preservation technique. It’s not altruistic. 

 

but yes you’re right it also benefits Frazier. Due to the timing, I think they were hoping Frazier got hired somewhere else but knew all along he’d be gone. 

Pegula decides how hot McDermott’s seat is, and if this was in fact a discreet firing, I’m sure he knows…

[Buffalo_Stampede]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Injuries were a big problem. But the Chiefs didn't have Von Miller, Micah Hyde, or DaQuan Jones when they held the Bengals to 20 points. Even with our injuries was the Chiefs defense really that much more talented than the defense we fielded in the divisional round? Multiple rookie CBs including a 7th rounder, an iffy safety tandem, meh edge rushers. Chris Jones is obviously elite and Nick Bolton appears to be a rising star. But the Bengals scored 27 against us in a game where they only tried to score for 3 quarters. Against the Chiefs they fought to the very end and came away with 20. To me the difference in those outcomes is a coaching discrepancy much more than a talent discrepancy.

 

Yes because Chris Jones and Frank Clark are playoff super heroes. Those guys dominate in the playoffs.

 

Ive asked this question before, name me the defensive player on the Bills that has stepped up his game in the playoffs? No one.