Leslie Frazier "taking a year off from coaching" per Bills PR

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

I didn't say anything of the sort. I was just pointing out a factual error. The Bills D played well versus Miami. They gave up some plays, but all defenses do. They got obliterated vs. Cincy. They've been up and down in the playoffs overall in this regime -- great against Jax (who scored 45 on Pitt the following week), good against Houston, bad against Indy, great against Baltimore, bad against KC, great against NE, bad against KC (again), good against Miami, and bad against Cincy. Not surprisingly, they struggled the most vs. the best offenses. Not many can stop KC assuming the o-line isn't in a shambles (which it was in the SB vs TB; both tOTs got hurt in the afc championship game vs the Bills).

They played against a 4th string QB. 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

They played against a 4th string QB. 

This is changing the subject. You said they scored at will; they did not.

[starrymessenger]

5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Interesting.  I haven't read the thread or any reports or heard the presser, but all of this sounds about right.   I already predicted Frazier will be back in 24 as some kind of special assistant.   The Bills are treating him right.  For all we know, McDermott knew Frazier was gone on locker cleanout day.  And McDermott will, as you say, be more hands on.   I can't see it being any other way.  

 

Don't know if anyone has talked about the offense here, but it's easy to see how difficult 2023 will be for McDermott when you also factor in what he has to do improve Dorsey's game.   McDermott will have to be hands-on there, too.  

As a defensive specialist do you really think McD has the knowledge to contribute anything to the O? And what is it exactly that McD needs to do to improve Dorsey's game?

[GaryPinC]

At the end of the day, all I know is I don't want our playoff opponents saying this about us:

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/12/tyler-boyd-says-bills-defense-is-basic-secondary-not-best-bengals-have-seen.html

 

“It’s kind of basic. They don’t do too much disguising - it’s kind of straightforward, they don’t do all the trickery things that we’ve seen a lot from defenses,” he told Cincinnati reporters in front of his locker. 

 

The article goes on to mention back in 2019 Belichick said the tough thing about playing our defense was how well Poyer and Hyde disguised their coverage responsibilities.  Not this year.

 

It's just not enough when we compete at the highest levels.  The Frazier change, and a fresh perspective, was needed.  We've got to have a more dynamic and creative defense, regardless of base schemes.

[97bills]

2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

This presents a bit of a dilemma for the Bills.  They have to decide how much they want Frazier after his "sabbatical."  The also need to decide what the likelihood is of him deciding he wants to return after a year off.  At 65 (in a year) he might decide he's had enough of the grind of coaching.  As an articulate and somewhat charismatic personality, he could probably find a home in the media that was a lot less stressful and pays better.  The Bills have to make that assessment because it might be difficult to maintain quality defensive coordination with temporary measures.  If you promote from within, are you getting the best possible option?  If McDermott takes on the role of coordinator for a year, will his other duties suffer?  Is it even possible to hire a quality guy from the outside who would be willing to come in for a year with the term "interim" attached to his title?  If you settle for a temporary solution to organize and coordinate your defense, is the defense going to suffer?

All good questions.. 

[FLFan]

22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Miami's offense was responsible for 15 points. The other 16 were gifted by the Bills' offense and STs. The team passer rating for Miami was 41.8 on 18-45 passing. They averaged 3.3 yards per play, turned it over twice, had a yards-per-rush average of 2.1 yards, and put up a measly 231 yards. Miami scored 31 points because Allen got really sloppy and turned it over three times and because the STs had a botched kickoff and gave up a big punt return.  Holding a playoff team to 15 points and very little yardage is good, not bad. In fact, the Bills' D saved the team; they intercepted the ball twice in Miami territory and both INTs led to Bills TDs. 

There you go confusing the preferred narrative with those pesky facts.  Shame on you.  

[SoTier]

8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

Hope he is healthy.

 

My first thought when I heard the news was that either Frazier or someone in his family is facing some kind of health issue.

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

As a defensive specialist do you really think McD has the knowledge to contribute anything to the O? And what is it exactly that McD needs to do to improve Dorsey's game?

First, let me say I loved your earlier post in this thread.  Didn't agree with it all, but there was a lot of interesting stuff to think about. 

 

I am dead certain that he has the knowledge to contribute.   I'll get to that.   What McD needs to do for Dorsey is to be sure that all scouting people have put together information about what is succeeding in the league, and what it is that the Bills can learn from that.   Also stuff about what the offense did well and poorly, and what needs to be improved.   All of that is being distilled into a workplan for Dorsey, a workplan that is created largely by McDermott and Dorsey themselves.   And because I think that Dorsey has plenty of things he can improve on, that workplan is going to be aggressive - it's going to expect Dorsey to get better at a lot.  McDermott will have to oversee Dorsey closely, for most of next season, to be sure Dorsey stays on track.

 

As McDermott knowing anything.   Well, first you only can be a good defensive coach if you understand what offenses are doing.   If you're a successful defensive coach, it means you're successful at understanding what works and doesn't work on offense.   So, there's that.   And I think Belichick is the perfect example.  Defensive coach pretty much his entire career, but he was all over the Patriots' offense, its direction.  Heck, he must have understood something about offense when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez.   Who does that except someone who could see how that offense would work.   

 

Finally, McDermott is a student.   If there's something he needs to know, he studies.  Don't think he hasn't been studying offense.  

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

First, let me say I loved your earlier post in this thread.  Didn't agree with it all, but there was a lot of interesting stuff to think about. 

 

I am dead certain that he has the knowledge to contribute.   I'll get to that.   What McD needs to do for Dorsey is to be sure that all scouting people have put together information about what is succeeding in the league, and what it is that the Bills can learn from that.   Also stuff about what the offense did well and poorly, and what needs to be improved.   All of that is being distilled into a workplan for Dorsey, a workplan that is created largely by McDermott and Dorsey themselves.   And because I think that Dorsey has plenty of things he can improve on, that workplan is going to be aggressive - it's going to expect Dorsey to get better at a lot.  McDermott will have to oversee Dorsey closely, for most of next season, to be sure Dorsey stays on track.

 

As McDermott knowing anything.   Well, first you only can be a good defensive coach if you understand what offenses are doing.   If you're a successful defensive coach, it means you're successful at understanding what works and doesn't work on offense.   So, there's that.   And I think Belichick is the perfect example.  Defensive coach pretty much his entire career, but he was all over the Patriots' offense, its direction.  Heck, he must have understood something about offense when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez.   Who does that except someone who could see how that offense would work.   

 

Finally, McDermott is a student.   If there's something he needs to know, he studies.  Don't think he hasn't been studying offense.  

I hope he's been studying offense enough to spend whatever free agent coin they free up and some early draft picks on that side of the ball. Start with the oline.

[Meatloaf63]

8 hours ago, appoo said:

The defense performed poorly in 2 games across 3 years of playoffs where the Bills have played in 7 games 

2? Poorly twice against KC, Miami, Cincinnati, not  that great against the colts either but Reich’s mistakes saved us… 

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

It wasn’t.

And the Bills got their tails kicked on both sides of the ball all the same.

 

The score wasn't even an accurate reflection of how badly they got beat.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Shaw66]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I hope he's been studying offense enough to spend whatever free agent coin they free up and some early draft picks on that side of the ball. Start with the oline.

In fact, if he could fix the oline, I think the rest would be easy.   I'm not one who thinks the Bills should keep Diggs and throw out the rest.  The Bills receivers should have been a lot better last season, and I lay that at Dorsey's feet.   Fix Dorsey, straighten out the oline, and he's good. 

[ChasBB]

8 hours ago, 97bills said:

Because I think it will be more the same.. I want a new scheme , but that’s probably not going to happen.. I just want a more aggressive approach , I’m willing to sacrifice a big play to try and force the Qb into a mistake. I think you can play that kind of defense , the way our offense can score. 

Agree.  I have no problem generally trying to rush with only 4, but blitzes can be very effective scattered in here and there.  Not saying I want to see the team blitz all the time.  Just saying let's mix things up a bit at times and situations.

[par73]

Time for a fresh look and new perspective. Not sure if that happens , though, if McDermott just assumes the duties. Hope there is an outside hire.

[Meatloaf63]

9 hours ago, arcane said:

The defense was excellent in the Ravens game. It was good in the Dolphins and Pats games. It was bad in the Bengals game, and horrific against two chiefs teams. The first chiefs loss had a lot to do with the DL issues that caused our defense to be gashed all year, they weren't a good unit that season. And a lot of players had deer in headlight moments that game. I don't really pin that one on coaching, that was a team learning what that big moment is like. 

 

But I'm happy to move on as well, I just think Bills fans take things far too extreme when they like or don't like something 

 

The histrionics on this board this offseason have been as unbearable as they are hyperbolic

Good in the Miami game? They had a third string scrub QB, missing top running back and a few offensive linemen. They had a chance to win. If Tua was playing we lose that game.

[Meatloaf63]

46 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is changing the subject. You said they scored at will; they did not.

They moved the ball at will at times, we were only saved by the untimely interceptions. The Jets pretty much stuffed him the week before. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

They moved the ball at will at times, we were only saved by the untimely interceptions. The Jets pretty much stuffed him the week before. 

Miami was 4-13 against the Jets on third down.

 

They were 4-16 against the Bills.

 

Miami had 302 yards against the Jets.

 

They had 231 yard against the Bills.

 

Miami had 17 first downs against the Jets.

 

They had 16 against the Bills.

 

Are you wrong professionally?  Do you have a card?

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

They moved the ball at will at times, we were only saved by the untimely interceptions. The Jets pretty much stuffed him the week before. 

Let’s also not forget the wide open bomb that Waddle dropped on their opening series, which would’ve changed the complexion of the game.  

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Good in the Miami game? They had a third string scrub QB, missing top running back and a few offensive linemen. They had a chance to win. If Tua was playing we lose that game.

The defense played very well. The 3 turnovers by the offense (one for a defensive TD), big PR and kickoff out of bounds gave Miami fantastic opportunities. 
 

Miami had 231 total yards, 16 first downs and only converted 25% of their 3rd downs… that doesn’t equal 31 points 😂

 

Their scoring drives started on…

 

MIA 40 (FG) Kick of OOB

BUF 48 (FG) INT returned 49 YDS

BUF 27 (FG) Punt returned 50 YDS

BUF 18 (TD) INT returned 29 YDS

BUF 30 (TD) Fumble Returned

MIA 25 (TD) 

 

But yeah… defense sucked. 

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Miami was 4-13 against the Jets on third down.

 

They were 4-16 against the Bills.

 

Miami had 302 yards against the Jets.

 

They had 231 yard against the Bills.

 

Miami had 17 first downs against the Jets.

 

They had 16 against the Bills.

 

Are you wrong professionally?  Do you have a card?

Did you watch the game? Did you see the wide open drops their receivers had? How may points did they put up against the jets? If you felt comfortable at any point that we were in control and were absolutely positive we were going to win you are nothing but a liar. But keep up the personal attacks cause they make you appear so smart👍