Leslie Frazier "taking a year off from coaching" per Bills PR

[Brand J]

14 minutes ago, Magox said:

This is all very strange.   It is extremely rare for a DC or OC to request from management to take a year off, that just doesn't make sense.

 

I don't believe he was forced out either, he wouldn't just take a year off while being forced out, he'd want to coach elsewhere and there would be plenty of suitors.

 

My suspicions are that there were disagreements between the two and in the process Frazier requested a year off understanding that this was the end of his days as DC.  

 

 

A demotion to secondary coach or the like very well could’ve been on the table. I would’ve been surprised if the Bills went into 2023 with Leslie Frazier as DC, so this news is not at all surprising to me, however it went down. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

A demotion to secondary coach or the like very well could’ve been on the table. I would’ve been surprised if the Bills went into 2023 with Leslie Frazier as DC, so this news is not at all surprising to me, however it went down. 

 

No, see tweet above with the direct quote from Beane:

 

Beane said “if Frazier wasn’t taking a step back, he would be the team’s defensive coordinator.”

 

He didn't say "back with the team", he said "defensive coordinator"

Edited February 28, 2023 by Big Turk

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

Sounds like Frazier was the one who decided to take a step back and the Bills wanted him to return.

 

 

That's how it read to me as well

[HappyDays]

33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I just don't see them going after the Frank Clarks (13.5 sacks in 17 postseason games) of the world. I hate to say it, but crazy d-linemen often do bring a sharper edge to big games than most. Just think of Leon Lett and Charles Haley

 

Yep. In general this defense is missing a tone setter. The closest we've had is Jordan Poyer and as far as tone setters go that's not much. Milano and Edmunds are rangy but players aren't scared of them. Von is pretty laid back and a technician, not a brute. Rousseau is a gentle giant. On offense Allen and Diggs are tone setters. On defense we're missing someone that opposing players are afraid to go near.

 

This is off topic but I've fallen in love with Jack Campbell as a 2nd round target. It's not about filling the hole we have at LB, it's about finding a tone setter. On film I see him stopping guys dead in their tracks and letting them hear about it. Give me that mean streak along with a more aggressive defensive philosophy. That's what championship defenses are made of.

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by HappyDays

[Donuts and Doritos]

Time to pillage the KC & Cinci D coaching staffs!!!

 

 

...wait, we plundered the Panthers again for Al Holcomb?

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Wait, who's the Bills LB coach ?

 

I see a promotion in his future.

[drummernut74]

Translation: 

 

Bills:  "Leslie, this is how it's going to be moving forward and you need to adapt.  We respect your service to the team

Leslie: "I'm not comfortable adapting and will take a year off"

 

Subtle way of elbowing someone out the door and protecting the integrity of a good dude who served the team with honor

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, see tweet above with the direct quote from Beane:

 

Beane said “if Frazier wasn’t taking a step back, he would be the team’s defensive coordinator.”

 

He didn't say "back with the team", he said "defensive coordinator"

Wasn’t Beane asked point blank if Leslie wasn’t stepping away would he be back as DC? And then Beane confirmed? I wouldn’t expect for that to go any other way. They can tell the media what they want, but the only people who know the entire truth are those who were in on the meeting (Beane/Frazier/McD/Pegula). You can take it at face value, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t accept it as 100% truth.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said:

Wasn’t Beane asked point blank if Leslie wasn’t stepping away would he be back as DC? And then Beane confirmed? I wouldn’t expect for that to go any other way. They can tell the media what they want, but the only people who know the entire truth are those who were in on the meeting (Beane/Frazier/McD/Pegula). You can take it at face value, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t accept it as 100% truth.

 

Nothing in any part of this announcement should be considered transparent truth. It's all Management-Speak, and showing other candidates that the Bills Org doesnt throw coaches under the bus on their way out.

 

 

[What a Tuel]

4 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Where have you been for the last few years. There's been plenty of reports on it. What a tuel indeed. 

 

Plenty of reports the team is broken? What? What does that even mean? They don't have a will to win? They've given up? Nonsense. 

 

I'm sorry, but I want someone who is at the table to tell me!

 

I will give you the bengals game. That seemed like a very broken team that was just finished this year.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by What a Tuel

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

No, they gave up 16 points. 15 points were the result of offensive turnovers and bad ST play. 

 

15 points, is that all?  (rummage, rummage):

 

3 points after interception/49 yd return gave Mia the ball on the Buffalo 48.  Gained 18 yds (including 13 yds on 4th and '8)

3 points after 50 yd return of 47 yd punt to Buffalo 27.  Gained 8 yds (but special teams play doesn't matter, I read it here)

6 points after interception/29 yd return gave MIA the ball on the Buffalo 18

7 points by MIA Defense after strip sack on 13 yd line/fumble recover TD

 

I make that 19 points as a result of offensive turnovers and bad ST, or maybe I just don't understand how you're looking at it?

 

The thing is, even on those series where points resulted from offensive or ST miscues - the D gave up plays like a conversion on 4th and 8.

And another scoring drive, not resulting from Buf offensive turnovers,was sustained by a 19 yd pass to Tyreek Hill on 3rd and 19.

 

So it can't be said our D played well against the Dolphins.

 

[davefan66]

34 minutes ago, Magox said:

This is all very strange.   It is extremely rare for a DC or OC to request from management to take a year off, that just doesn't make sense.

 

I don't believe he was forced out either, he wouldn't just take a year off while being forced out, he'd want to coach elsewhere and there would be plenty of suitors.

 

My suspicions are that there were disagreements between the two and in the process Frazier requested a year off understanding that this was the end of his days as DC.  

 

 

Why would he request a year off, if he wanted to move on?  No need, his contract is up.

 

He is no longer under contract this offseason.  Can leave and do whatever he wants.  If another team wanted him and he wanted out before the contract was up, they would have let him go to pursue other things.

 

 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

Why would he request a year off, if he wanted to move on?  No need, his contract is up.

 

He is no longer under contract this offseason.  Can leave and do whatever he wants.  If another team wanted him and he wanted out before the contract was up, they would have let him go to pursue other things.

 

 

 

Where does this thing about Frazier's contract being up keep coming from?

I thought multiple press guys covering the Bills had said it is not true.

[Nitro]

He needs to regroup.  Get a fresh out look on defense.  I doubt that the Bills will have him back.  Moving on!

[Charles Romes]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

They didn’t though. They scored 14 points in the first Q and 13 the rest of the way.

 

The game was winnable if the offense showed up. 

We did not “hold” the Bengals to 13 the rest of the day. There was nothing to indicate that Burrow would not be putting up 17-30+ in the second half if they needed to and were not trying to burn the clock. Bengals drove the ball down the field every time they wanted to outside of a single possession. If they were not so successful mercifully killing the clock in the fourth they would have scored more points. 

[K D]

Bend don't break has broken

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Where does this thing about Frazier's contract being up keep coming from?

I thought multiple press guys covering the Bills had said it is not true.

 

Tweet from JW in January

 

Couple thoughts:

1) The tweet could be technically true that Frazier's contract had not expired as of Jan 26th, and that it expired today Feb 28th 

2) JW could be wrong

3) Other reports that his contract expired could be wrong

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

What an amazingly beautiful day to be a Bills fan

[Kiva]

Thank you lord!! I’ve been praying for this for months and he has answered. 

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, Rigotz said:

They’ll promote someone internally and it’ll be the same bend but don’t break, vanilla defense.

 

This is McDermott’s defense, he just needs a straw man to run it.

 

I’m not being defeatist, that’s just what it is.

100% spot on. The only thing that changes is McD doesn't have Fraizer as his fall guy.