Is Edmunds decision the most difficult Beane has ever faced?

[TSOL]

I don't know man, Edmunds isn't flashy but he's a real technical player. If he leaves he will be missed. I'm not some Edmunds cheerleader here but I'm leaning towards retaining him. 

[benderbender]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Should be an interesting week ahead. 

I like that someone disagreed with that. This is the content I come for. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Tells all you need to know? No, it really doesn't. Was Milano locked up?

 

Yet he's now an All-Pro, after they re-signed him.

 

And the idea that we shouldn't re-sign people because they haven't taken us to elite places is dumb. That would justify not re-signing anyone. By that argument we shouldn't have re-signed Allen. He hasn't taken us to elite places. It's simply not a good argument.

No Milano was not locked up and it did tell me all I needed to know on him. Which was the Bills recognized his position and role as one they were prepared to move on from. They have locked up so many players before they hit the market it's been overwhelming. You think it's a coincidence Poyer and Edmunds have not been signed? Oliver? It's not a coincidence. It's age and position. Doesn't even mean the Bills don't want to do it, it just means they were willing to let it go that far when in most instances they have not. That has to speak for something. 

 

Allen is a star QB and we have signed an overwhelming amount of foundational pieces at a time when we did not know if they would or wouldn't be the ones we really needed. Time has proven thus far we need a different combination of pieces which makes decisions on future already existing pieces a tad bit easier to swallow. This defense has not got us to where we want to be long term and Edmunds is a center piece of it. No matter how good Edmunds is in coverage he still a MLB in an offensive league and with an offseason to redevelop scheme and the right players, we very well could be better vs previous versions. We aren't going to sign a 6th rounder and ask him to be Edmunds. Well, maybe, but we shouldn't.  

[BillsFan130]

19 minutes ago, TSOL said:

I don't know man, Edmunds isn't flashy but he's a real technical player. If he leaves he will be missed. I'm not some Edmunds cheerleader here but I'm leaning towards retaining him. 

He’s the Leslie Frazier of players.

 

Good in the regular season, then gets toyed with by the great QBs in the playoffs.

 

IMO not worth retaining him because of that, but I definitely see your point 

[TSOL]

23 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

He’s the Leslie Frazier of players.

 

Good in the regular season, then gets toyed with by the great QBs in the playoffs.

 

IMO not worth retaining him because of that, but I definitely see your point 

 

 

He's not Lawrence Taylor, but he's a rock solid piece to the puzzle. We'd have to pay big  to replace him, why mess with all that? He's good.  Keep him and maybe put it on Beane to draft well and put good pieces around him. 

 

Stupid to let him go and have to replace him with a high priced free agent. 

 

[RiotAct]

10 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

Likely have to let him walk but he is only 24.  When Nader if you could do something really long term with him. 

I think Ralph Nader is a little too old to have much of an impact on the gridiron anymore…

[billieve420]

I would let Edmunds shop around and if he wants to bring offer back to team fine. Beane can consider it and move on if they are far apart on a new contract. I personally wouldn’t want to tie up that much money at the LB position anyway. Especially a finesse group that gets manhandled by more physical teams regularly. However, if it makes financial sense I am not against keeping Edmunds who is solid player.

Edited February 28, 2023 by billieve420

[ProcessTruster]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I think it was already decided last year. Beane extends his guys a year early. LB is not a premium position and Edmunds even at his best does not make game changing plays. When you pay your QB, letting players like that go is a pretty easy decision.

They'll offer him Milano $$ on a 3-4 yr deal and then he'll walk.   They'll give him the opportunity to realize that this is not his last payday as he'll only be 28 when his next deal comes.    Good player but D is all about sacks, picks and negative plays.   He doesn't make any of them.   His leaving will force Frazier out of his rope a dope defense. 

[nosejob]

43 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

They'll offer him Milano $$ on a 3-4 yr deal and then he'll walk.   They'll give him the opportunity to realize that this is not his last payday as he'll only be 28 when his next deal comes.    Good player but D is all about sacks, picks and negative plays.   He doesn't make any of them.   His leaving will force Frazier out of his rope a dope defense. 

I worry about a guy that takes 5 yrs. to substantially up his play and it's a contract year. I can see him getting paid and never getting any better. I just don't think he has it from the neck up. Also I'm all for forcing a change in defensive approach.

[John from Riverside]

How much Edmonds would be missed would depend on what resources they used to put a player or players in replace of him
 

It might hurt a lot or we might not miss him at all depending on what they do

[colin]

8 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

He’s the Leslie Frazier of players.

 

Good in the regular season, then gets toyed with by the great QBs in the playoffs.

 

IMO not worth retaining him because of that, but I definitely see your point 

 

That's a pretty good analogy (metaphor?) but when he played frasier was a much more impactful player than edmunds.

 

my big issue is that we have one single player that for sure makes the guys around him better (von) or perhaps two (milano) on D, after all that investment.

 

we are way better off to follow the rams model (and what we did for diggs) and trade resources for players who will make an impact, or sign in FA, given that we keep drafting and contracting up guys who are just above average, but not impact.

[BillsFan130]

8 hours ago, TSOL said:

 

 

He's not Lawrence Taylor, but he's a rock solid piece to the puzzle. We'd have to pay big  to replace him, why mess with all that? He's good.  Keep him and maybe put it on Beane to draft well and put good pieces around him. 

 

Stupid to let him go and have to replace him with a high priced free agent. 

 

My argument is the defence sucks with him in the playoffs while he always looks lost, so what difference does it make signing him? To have better regular season stats?

 

I am not saying sign a big free agent.

 

Sign a low cost guy/draft one in the mid rounds, and spend the money/assets on the offence

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

[PrimeTime101]

13 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Davante Adams was traded last off-season after being tagged.  So it happens.  

That was a very special situation. A day after being tagged, he ASKED to be traded asap that he did not want to be part of that organization at all. Very rare

[IndyMark]

To directly answer the thread title's question, no the decision has already been made.  In fact, this will be an easy decision for Beane as he already has a number, a line in the sand, that he is willing to pay Edmunds.  If Edmunds gets more on the open market good on him. If not, he returns as a Bill.

 

It is all about the math and that makes decisions easy.

 

Now, the content of the thread and the discussion is all about alot of things, but the answer to the thread title is easy, no pun intended.  This will be one Beane's easiest decisions all off-season as it will be made for him with the numbers.

 

What, then, might be Beane's hardest decision?  For me it will be how little to take for Ed Oliver in a trade. I would love to trade Ed, for many reasons but the cap relief is huge, but what team truly would want him or want to pay more than a 5th round pick? Likely no one, in that way, trading Oliver will be the harder decision based merely on what is acceptable to have someone take him off our hands.

[Zerovoltz]

Hey!  I have some unsolicited thoughts on this!

 

I don't know enough or watch enough Bills D to make any kind of guess on Edmunds.  I would say this - While the Bills have not won the SB...you had the 13 second game in a year when you'd have had a very strong chance to win one...and then coming into this year, your team was the favorite and was playing like it until Von got hurt.  I think there is a degree of overthinking it since you dind't end up with a title (easy for me to say)  

 

I believe Josh Allen is one of the rare few that can thrive with lower cost targets etc.  IF it were me running the Bills....I'd try and put money into thing Josh Allen can't improve directly.  And of those things, I'd go:

 

1. The best O line I could put toghether.

2. Interior D line pass rushers

3. Outside pass rushers

4. Corners.

5. Safety

6. Off ball LB.

7. Skill players.  (this isn't to say they arne't important.  I just wouldn't spend collectivly, all that much.  If I had a Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, I'd do one big contract..otherwise...no.  Allen and a strong line and Allen will lift up what you surround him with)

 

....and I'd also invest in the best O line I could put toether.  

 

Given you've already paid Milano....I'd lean to letting Edmunds go and investing that in something more important.  .....again,  Idon't know Edmunds value to your system.  He is young and I would think his prime years are now...

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Frazier news probably doesn’t bode well for an Edmunds return.  

[Mat68]

No.  I think it comes down to allocation of resources.  You can not have the most expensive off ball linebacker room.  You either keep Milano or sign Edmunds and trade Milano. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

Edmunds to me is easy, you determine what his impact is on the defense and you offer him accordingly. If he is only worth 15 a year to us then we offer that and no more. He is simpler than many other because we have 5 years of evidence and the past 3 are pretty consistent in this system. 

[SoMAn]

I think they’ll examine weaknesses on defense, identify run support, and explore options in FA or draft and look for a LB who can cover and also be aggressive against the run. If they find that guy, they may be open to Edmunds finding greener pastures. Otherwise, they’ll either franchise him or start moving money around to pay him. 
Something that’s intriguing to me is the statement the Bills will make with whatever path they follow. They’re always supportive of their guys in public, but if they let Edmunds walk, it’s a pretty good bet they agree with some of the fan sentiment regarding Edmund’s perceived weaknesses.