Going vegan?

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

No. Full vegan is no animal products at all. 

 

I think BMW went full synthetic leather now with their car seats and trim...

 

To each their own, I guess. Who am I to judge? 

[dancing_joker]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

To each their own, I guess. Who am I to judge? 

Honestly, I’m interested in my own health benefits more so than anything else. The fact that I’m not supporting an industry that clearly abuses livestock for the purpose of consumption is an added bonus. Ask yourself…have you ever seen a 300 lb vegan? Or a 300 lb person who’s 85 years old? 

[mead107]

10 hours ago, dancing_joker said:

I’ve recently decided to adopt a vegan lifestyle…not only for the welfare of animals, but for my own health benefits as well as the environmental impacts. Has anyone out there converted? If so, what were the challenges you faced?

 

Please do not comment if you’re here to campaign against this choice. I have no desire to debate you on this, nor am I here to preach to you how to live your life. 

Plants have a life also. 
is it really fair to eat plants. 
 

 

have lots of friends that have been vegan for years.

Broccoli Stromboli for those friends. 
also no eggs used  for friends that are vegan 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by mead107

[ExiledInIllinois]

7 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

Honestly, I’m interested in my own health benefits more so than anything else. The fact that I’m not supporting an industry that clearly abuses livestock for the purpose of consumption is an added bonus. Ask yourself…have you ever seen a 300 lb vegan? Or a 300 lb person who’s 85 years old? 

Yes. My nephew's boyfriend.  He's a 300 pound vegan! Seriously... It ain't as healthy as you think.

 

French fries are vegan (in vegetable oil)... 

 

To each their own... But what the heck is in that stuff? This is probably the only time in human history that we can fabric imitation things.  Just because it's vegan does it become natural. What about all the chemicals...

 

Our parents grew up with products that had to be labeled: "Made with real cheese" lol....What are we going back to, the fake stuff?

 

Leave a stick of real butter out on a warm day. Then leave imitation butter/margarine/plant based out. Watch where the flies go to.  😆 

6 minutes ago, mead107 said:

Plants have a life also. 
is it really fair to eat plants. 
 

 

have lots of friends that have been vegan for years.

Broccoli Stromboli for those friends. 
also no eggs used  for friends that are vegan 

 

Plants feel pain. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[ExiledInIllinois]

Soda pop is vegan... That's my big weakness... 

[dancing_joker]

5 minutes ago, mead107 said:

Plants have a life also. 
is it really fair to eat plants. 
 

 

have lots of friends that have been vegan for years.

Broccoli Stromboli for those friends. 
also no eggs used  for friends that are vegan 

 

Well I’m not gonna go straight up Ghandhi haha. We all make choices about how we want to live and to achieve inner harmony. Personally, I’ve never felt good about not watering a plant enough or too much or giving it too much/little sunlight and killing it. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

9 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

Well I’m not gonna go straight up Ghandhi haha. We all make choices about how we want to live and to achieve inner harmony. Personally, I’ve never felt good about not watering a plant enough or too much or giving it too much/little sunlight and killing it. 

Gandhi was a vegetarian.  Big difference. 

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mahatma-gandhi-diet_l_5cb6021fe4b082aab08d3954

 

"Gandhi was born into a vegetarian household, but he always aspired to be vegan. He tried veganism as a young adult but, after suffering severe health issues, he was forced to change course."

 

Today we have so many more options than Gandhi had... But do you want all those chemicals in your body?

 

The thing with veganism is: "Consent"

 

Even know the hen will drop about an egg a day, you can't eat it, use it because it didn't consent for you to take it.

 

https://www.iamgoingvegan.com/vegan-ethics/

Edited February 28, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[dancing_joker]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Gandhi was a vegetarian.  Big difference. 

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mahatma-gandhi-diet_l_5cb6021fe4b082aab08d3954

 

"Gandhi was born into a vegetarian household, but he always aspired to be vegan. He tried veganism as a young adult but, after suffering severe health issues, he was forced to change course."

 

Today we have so many more options than Gandhi had... But do you want all those chemicals in your body?

 

The thing with veganism is: "Consent"

 

Even know the hen will drop an egg a day, you can't eat it because it didn't consent for you to take it.

 

https://www.iamgoingvegan.com/vegan-ethics/

Actually a hen drops an egg a day because it’s been bred to. 
 

Again, the purpose of this thread was not to debate the merits of going vegan, rather to hear from people who have gone vegan…the challenges they faced and the benefits they’ve seen. Feel free to create a separate topic if you wish to discuss that. 

[Augie]

19 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Soda pop is vegan... That's my big weakness... 

 

I have a close friend who has a weakness for Pepsi. He cut back on that, as well as some other things, and he’s down 19 LBS as of yesterday.

 

Sugar, and artificial sweeteners, are as bad as almost anything out there if you can’t keep it in moderation. A steak would stand out. I HAD RED MEAT! A rare event for us. Get over it. Sugar is everywhere, and it’s a serious problem. I think obesity has to start with an eye on sugar, not chicken breasts. 

6 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

Actually a hen drops an egg a day because it’s been bred to. 
 

Again, the purpose of this thread was not to debate the merits of going vegan, rather to hear from people who have gone vegan…the challenges they faced and the benefits they’ve seen. Feel free to create a separate topic if you wish to discuss that. 

 

But you had to know it would come up. If you want to discuss a topic, I think it’s fair to look at it from every angle. I’m not bashing it, just pointing out some fair thoughts, IMO. 

 

If we are going to discuss it, we need should define it, at the very least. 

 

By all means, everyone should make their own decisions. Not judging anyone else’s actions or opinions. 

 

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Edited February 28, 2023 by Augie

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

Actually a hen drops an egg a day because it’s been bred to. 
 

Again, the purpose of this thread was not to debate the merits of going vegan, rather to hear from people who have gone vegan…the challenges they faced and the benefits they’ve seen. Feel free to create a separate topic if you wish to discuss that. 

Agree. No worries. My son and daughter tried, more health issues with her... They are mainly vegetarian now.

 

I respect your choice, hope it works for you!

[Johnny Hammersticks]

20 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yes. My nephew's boyfriend.  He's a 300 pound vegan! Seriously... It ain't as healthy as you think.

I heard an interview recently with Rick Rubin where he talks about how he was a strict vegan for a substantial amount of time, yet he was the heaviest he had ever been in his life.  
 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I have a close friend who has a weakness for Pepsi. He cut back on that, as well as some other things, and he’s down 19 LBS as of yesterday.

 

Sugar, and artificial sweeteners, are as bad as almost anything out there if you can’t keep it in moderation. A steak would stand out. I HAD RED MEAT! A rare event for us. Get over it. Sugar is everywhere, and it’s a serious problem. I think obesity has to start with an eye on sugar, not chicken breasts. 

 

But you had to know it would come up. If you want to discuss a topic, I think it’s fair to look at it from every angle. I’m not bashing it, just pointing out some fair thoughts, IMO. 

 

If we are going to discuss it, we need should define it, at the very least. 

 

By all means, everyone should make their own decisions. Not judging anyone else’s actions or opinions. 

 

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It's processed foods too. And a lot of all our new vegan choices today are highly processed! Just be careful. The key is to really not eat at all! LoL...

 

https://www.popsci.com/vegetarian-vegan-not-always-healthy/

[dancing_joker]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I have a close friend who has a weakness for Pepsi. He cut back on that, as well as some other things, and he’s down 19 LBS as of yesterday.

 

Sugar, and artificial sweeteners, are as bad as almost anything out there if you can’t keep it in moderation. A steak would stand out. I HAD RED MEAT! A rare event for us. Get over it. Sugar is everywhere, and it’s a serious problem. I think obesity has to start with an eye on sugar, not chicken breasts. 

There’s a lot of merit in how bad sugar is and what it does to your body. Within the last 10 years, I’ve been as heavy as 220, changed up my diet and got as low as 166 (my high school weight). And changing my diet and reducing my sugar intake was a big reason why. 
 

It’s not the number on the scale I’m chasing, it’s how I feel mentally and improving my mood. There’s such a thing as a vegan “glow”…you can google it, I’m not making it up. I’ve seen it in person. For the record, I ate vegan cookie dough today and it was delicious. And it had sugar in it haha. A vegan diet doesn’t have to be debilitating. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, dancing_joker said:

There’s a lot of merit in how bad sugar is and what it does to your body. Within the last 10 years, I’ve been as heavy as 220, changed up my diet and got as low as 166 (my high school weight). And changing my diet and reducing my sugar intake was a big reason why. 
 

It’s not the number on the scale I’m chasing, it’s how I feel mentally and improving my mood. There’s such a thing as a vegan “glow”…you can google it, I’m not making it up. I’ve seen it in person. For the record, I ate vegan cookie dough today and it was delicious. And it had sugar in it haha. A vegan diet doesn’t have to be debilitating. 

 

I am NOT against you, my friend. I wish you nothing but the best. I just think a lot of people think “the label” will make them all fine and dandy. Processed foods are evil, that would be my first target. One unnamed relative calls a couple others “twinkietarians”.  Meat and how to get your protein is just one issue. What is in all the other garbage they intentionally label to to look “healthy”? 

 

You must feel a lot better down from 220lbs. That takes a lot of toll on the rest of the body to carry that around. Go pick up a bag of cement and imagine all that pressure on your knees and the rest of your body. 

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

17 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

There’s a lot of merit in how bad sugar is and what it does to your body. Within the last 10 years, I’ve been as heavy as 220, changed up my diet and got as low as 166 (my high school weight). And changing my diet and reducing my sugar intake was a big reason why. 
 

It’s not the number on the scale I’m chasing, it’s how I feel mentally and improving my mood. There’s such a thing as a vegan “glow”…you can google it, I’m not making it up. I’ve seen it in person. For the record, I ate vegan cookie dough today and it was delicious. And it had sugar in it haha. A vegan diet doesn’t have to be debilitating. 

Ummmm….have you tried weed?

[T&C]

Going by the thread title... no and never. 

 

I eat a lot of what would be called vegan but there is always some sort of real meat/sausage/fish in there so I'm a 75%er.

[Augie]

25 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Ummmm….have you tried weed?

 

I’m struggling to think of how weed would get me from 220 lbs to 166 lbs. Maybe the other way around?   😂 

 

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Edited February 28, 2023 by Augie

[dancing_joker]

29 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I am NOT against you, my friend. I wish you nothing but the best. I just think a lot of people think “the label” will make them all fine and dandy. Processed foods are evil, that would be my first target. One unnamed relative calls a couple others “twinkietarians”.  Meat and how to get your protein is just one issue. What is in all the other garbage they intentionally label to to look “healthy”? 

 

You must feel a lot better down from 220lbs. That takes a lot of toll on the rest of the body to carry that around. Go pick up a bag of cement and imagine all that pressure on your knees and the rest of your body. 

 

 

No worries!! I definitely was not happy at that weight. Being 30 years old at the time, it didn’t “hurt” but I didn’t feel good about myself.  
 

That said, if you really subscribe to the macro culture, it says I need to consume 180 grams of protein. Protein is important no doubt, but I didn’t need that much to lose weight. I think there’s a fair amount of bro-science in those calculators. Bro-science meaning…you see some guy at the gym who looks hard and you say “hey bro, how did you get your body to look like that?”

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, dancing_joker said:

No worries!! I definitely was not happy at that weight. Being 30 years old at the time, it didn’t “hurt” but I didn’t feel good about myself.  
 

That said, if you really subscribe to the macro culture, it says I need to consume 180 grams of protein. Protein is important no doubt, but I didn’t need that much to lose weight. I think there’s a fair amount of bro-science in those calculators. Bro-science meaning…you see some guy at the gym who looks hard and you say “hey bro, how did you get your body to look like that?”

 

Ummmm, huh? So what are you in this for? 

 

I have a childhood friend I still text with weekly. He was a soccer and tennis kid in high school, but is now into marathons. He runs. And runs. And….He looked like he belonged in Hospice the last time I saw him in person. He looked sick and emancipated. His wife begged me to get him to understand it, and she’s a therapist! 

 

Balanced and healthy appeals to me. 

[dancing_joker]

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Ummmm, huh? So what are you in this for? 

 

I have a childhood friend I still text with weekly. He was a soccer and tennis kid in high school, but is now into marathons. He runs. And runs. And….He looked like he belonged in Hospice the last time I saw him in person. He looked sick and emancipated. His wife begged me to get him to understand it, and she’s a therapist! 

 

Balanced and healthy appeals to me. 

I already answered why I’m doing this. Again, I’m not here to debate the merits of the vegan lifestyle. While running marathons is ridiculously hard and takes a huge mental effort to get through, ask your marathon runner friend what his toenails look like after running 26.2 miles. Running marathons is not a life I personally want to live. But if he’s happy with himself, then who am I to judge him? Whatever path he takes to happiness is his choice. 
 

I asked earlier about the negative perception from family and friends because it’s real. Look how many people here want to throw shade at my choice, and my life is completely irrelevant to yours. Now imagine if I was your cousin, friend or even your spouse?