How bad were the Bills receivers this year? Hint really really bad

[BuffaloFan68]

I feel changing the WR coach was the right move.  Keep what we have & sign Beasley- all he does is catch the ball.  Sign Poyer and focus on the lines. 
Go Bills!!!!!

[Einstein]

9 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Hence Chad Hall's exit stage right

 

This team sure loves to scapegoat coaches.

It's funny how its never the HC or Assistant HC's fault.

[ALLEN1QB]

Not enough sticky stuff on the gloves.

[Maine-iac]

Why is Allen all of the offense?  It's not because we can't run the ball.  You could argue McKenzie wasn't able to replace Beasley's production but honestly some of the reason Allen is ALL of the offense is because we at times we don't try.  I also think once Miller went down, mixed with other injuries on defense, we just didn't trust the defense to make stops.  By the end of the year my thinking had gone from "we can attack and defend in many ways" to "we refuse to run the ball, only throw deep, and hope to hang on with the defense".  Since Allen has been here we've never shown any commitment to running the ball.  I don't blame Allen for this and you don't draft a "franchise QB" thinking about your running game but that said it wouldn't hurt for the coaches to think about it more than they do.  My hope would be next year our offense has a lot more targets for RB's and slot WR's and less for Davis not because he's awful but because our passing game should have more short and intermediate throws in it because they are productive.  Throwing 15 yards down field (Davis's avg depth of target) on every throw is going to be very streaky and give you mixed results regardless of your WR.

[MJS]

So, why are we blaming Dorsey? If the receivers dropped so many balls, how is that Dorsey's fault?

 

Seems like Dorsey did his job. He produced the 2nd best offense in the league with receivers dropping passes and an oline that lacks talent.

[finn]

12 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So, Josh Allen is not the problem?

 

Did everyone hear that?

Hey, don't mess with the national narrative. Allen has regressed. Yes, he had incompetent receivers and a girls tennis team for an Oline, and a damaged elbow limiting him. But, hey, Mahomes had a hangnail in October, and Burrows had a stomach ache at least once, I heard. So altogether, it was a level playing field. 

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I agree, if they’re going to win a Super Bowl it will be on Josh Allen’s arm, not McDermott’s defense.

 

I think McBeane hoped Josh would be enough to get the job done on offense but he can’t do it alone.  They need to change their philosophy and go offense heavy and build an offense around Josh that will score 35 points a week and dare teams to keep up.

 

Elite offense, elite kicking game, above average special teams, and an average defense needs to be the script going forward.  They’ve got a lot of that in place already.

Yes, this should be our strategy going forward. There's just one little problem. Tell that to a defensive HC who insists on using his top picks on defense. Clearly Beane has no authority over McDermott. Terry is worried about his wife. This will be a disastrous rinse and repeat cycle for awhile. 

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, MJS said:

So, why are we blaming Dorsey? If the receivers dropped so many balls, how is that Dorsey's fault?

 

Seems like Dorsey did his job. He produced the 2nd best offense in the league with receivers dropping passes and an oline that lacks talent.

 

 

Last game aside..........I suspect McDermott was MUCH happier working with Dorsey in 2022 than the wicky-wacky version of Daboll in 2021.    It was a more consistently productive offense despite having both a less talented OL and WR corps.     The Bills didn't lose any 9-6 games against the worst team in the NFL this time around and won 13 of 16 as opposed to 11 of 17.

Edited February 26, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Don Otreply]

21 minutes ago, MJS said:

So, why are we blaming Dorsey? If the receivers dropped so many balls, how is that Dorsey's fault?

 

Seems like Dorsey did his job. He produced the 2nd best offense in the league with receivers dropping passes and an oline that lacks talent.

  I’ll start this off with, we are light years ahead of the drought years, and we are all happy as hell about that, but now it’s about fine tuning/ making effective adjustments throughout the season. 
 

   Dorsey’s offense became very predictable, and had next to zero flow from play to play, this was pointed out by former NFL QBs,  sure we squeaked by a lot of opponents in the regular season, but come post season, going against the best teams Dorsey in effect did nothing to mix things up to put the opponents on their back foot, he did not put his players in a position to be successful, and we got soundly trounced by the Bengals.
 

   The same can be said about our defense, no adjustments to keep Opponents offenses guessing, it’s year three of post season failings on Frazier/ McDermott, and the buck stops at McDermotts desk…, coaches are responsible for play design/scheme, and bringing in players that aren’t performing to expectations, then continuing to roll it back season after season. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

[PatsFanNH]

15 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Our friend Tim Graham over at the Athletic broke down just had ridiculously bad the Bills receiving corps was this year 

 

Question, is this counting everything that hits the receivers hands as a drop? Because that’s just not right just like TD / INT ratio can be misleading when say a QB has 12 INT but 3 of them went off receivers..

 

 

 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Davis wasn't the same after having the high ankle sprain.  If the Bills had another comparable guy, he would not have been rushed back to play.  The Bills really need to have at least four guys that can play ( cover for injuries, illness, and game plan flexibility ).  Diggs and Davis are two with Shakir likely to become the third.  Free agents this year don't have the answer IMHO.  They need another guy in the draft that can push Davis and Shakir for playing time.  If they don't draft a receiver in the either the first or second rounds, I'll be surprised.

[Bookie Man]

Get the man some weapons!

 

If Gabe Davis catches that deep pass on 4th and 21 week 9 against the jets, that would have gone down as one of the best throws in history.

[jlgarsh]

I honestly wouldn't mind keeping Beasley at the vet minimum. With a full off-season, training camp etc, wouldn't be surprised if he could solve some of the short/medium route problems. But they need a new WR2 badly. Give Shakir McKenzie snaps. Crowder most likely won't be back either.

[bostonadguy]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This team sure loves to scapegoat coaches.

It's funny how its never the HC or Assistant HC's fault.

I don't know. they did the same last year with the special teams coach and this year our special teams was tops in the league. Matt Smiley was an upgrade over the guy before. maybe it will work here.

[Mr. WEO]

The O-line is the worst in the NFL1

 

No, wait... Josh's is injured and can't throw short and medium passes----only bombs!

 

No, wait....the WR group it she worst isn the NFL!!

  

 

Anyway, histrionics aside, there's plenty of "blame" to go around.  Despite all of these incredibly disastrous sentiments, the Bills had the 7th best passing game inn the NFL.  Receivers dropped 35 of 573 attempts--that's 6.1% of the total---within 0.5% of 5 other teams.  "Poor" passes, by one measure, came in at 15%.  Only 28% of Allen's passes were for 10+ yards.  

 

However, the Bills had only passing attempts in the Red Zone--fewer than guys like Goff and Cousins had------and only 2/3 as many as Mahomes.  That's a real problem.

 

There's room for improvement all around.

 

 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

  I’ll start this off with, we are light years ahead of the drought years, and we are all happy as hell about that, but now it’s about fine tuning/ making effective adjustments throughout the season. 
 

   Dorsey’s offense became very predictable, and had next to zero flow from play to play, this was pointed out by former NFL QBs,  sure we squeaked by a lot of opponents in the regular season, but come post season, going against the best teams Dorsey in effect did nothing to mix things up to put the opponents on their back foot, he did not put his players in a position to be successful, and we got soundly trounced by the Bengals.
 

   The same can be said about our defense, no adjustments to keep Opponents offenses guessing, it’s year three of post season failings on Frazier/ McDermott, and the buck stops at McDermotts desk…, coaches are responsible for play design/scheme, and bringing in players that aren’t performing to expectations, then continuing to roll it back season after season. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

When you have players who can't execute the offense, things look disjointed. When you call a play and Allen takes the deep bomb over and over despite underneath routes being there for the taking, things look disjointed.

 

I'm sure Dorsey can improve. It was his first year. But the offense needs more talent, especially a better oline. Once you have good players who play well together, it's amazing how your offense can just click and get into a good rhythm.

[Steptide]

15 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

So, Josh Allen is not the problem?

 

Did everyone hear that?

I didn't read all the replies, but are there legitimately people saying Josh is the issue? Josh isn't blameless, but I think 99% of bills fans would agree we need to upgrade the wr group

[3rdand12]

14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He never was the problem.  The problem is Dorsey. The problem is stone hands receivers like Gabe. The problem is scrub olineman like Brown & Q getting Josh's arm torn off.  Josh haters are so adorably stupid.

Josh cant be part of the problem?

 What's the common denominator here ?

 There are two

Josh ( i love him )
Ken Dorsey ( i do not love him)
Why did Davis fall so far after last years post season ?
 

hint

 its not the WRs so much.

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Josh cant be part of the problem?

 What's the common denominator here ?

 There are two

Josh ( i love him )
Ken Dorsey ( i do not love him)
Why did Davis fall so far after last years post season ?
 

hint

 its not the WRs so much.

Well, if you believe what you read, it was the WR coach. 😉

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

So, why are we blaming Dorsey? If the receivers dropped so many balls, how is that Dorsey's fault?

 

Seems like Dorsey did his job. He produced the 2nd best offense in the league with receivers dropping passes and an oline that lacks talent.

Disagree

 Where were the screens were was the run game and wtf is chuck it far Josh about ?
 The route running was poor and hardly self aware. why wasnt that corrected by the OC.
Whet werent the blocking schemes fixed so Josh was not lined up so often with four wide and no protection running go routes, whilst getting killed game after game.
Give me a break, he sucked

2 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Well, if you believe what you read, it was the WR coach. 😉

I dont know what made the Offense drop off so much.

 The O line was struggling Josh was struggling and the Offense in general was struggling.
Did McD lose his team ?

Plenty of blame to go around I suppose . Hopefully all fixable