Stadium Renderings Part 2

[Jauronimo]

Not long ago you were all happy to be elbowing each other out of the way to clear 5 inches of room at the piss trough and now you're too good for a modern NFL stadium?!? Shame on you, BillsMafia.  Shame on you!

Edited February 28, 2023 by Jauronimo

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, cba fan said:

it is not the biggest publicly funded stadium ever and Pegula will pay over 50% when all is done.

 

I don't think Pegula gets over 15% of the cost. The majority of Tpegs contribution is coming from an NFL loan that will be paid back by PSL's (so not actually Pegula's money).

 

Fans will pay for the taxpayer portion, and the PSL portion.

 

It's a taxpayer stadium, we just dont have no say in what it looks like. Odd how that works.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Einstein

[teef]

12 minutes ago, mrags said:

You’ve mentioned it earlier in this thread on how you feel I’m not the type of person they are targeting with this new stadium. Curious how you came to that considering you k ow nothing about me or how old I am. What my income is. What my job is. Just curious how old you think I am. I’ll just tell you. I’m in my 40s. Not sure how you believe my age range is out date, or that I’m an old man. Only thing I can think of is you are in your 20s. And if that’s the case, you’re right, your age is exactly who the Bills are targeting. Only 15 years from now when you actually have a career and your not just the kid that bitters the bread at the local Nick Tahoos. 
 

they are absolutely trying to cater to people that would prefer more comforts while being at the stadium than there are not available at the current stadium. Not kids drinking booze in the parking lots. You’ll see one day when you grow up. 

Lol!   You are deep with insecurities!   Hey, when you decide to stop being a beaten girlfriend, or just can’t afford you tickets anymore, let me know and maybe I’ll buy them at a discount. Hell, maybe I’ll even throw in a few extra bucks so you can take your family to Arbys. 

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

Lol!   You are deep with insecurities!   Hey, when you decide to stop being a beaten girlfriend, or just can’t afford you tickets anymore, let me know and maybe I’ll buy them at a discount. Hell, maybe I’ll even throw in a few extra bucks so you can take your family to Arbys. 

You’re cute. It’s awesome that you can’t even think of your own line and you keep using mine. Just like all the other 20 somethings still in mommies basement. 

[cba fan]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I don't think Pegula gets over 15% of the cost. The majority of Tpegs contribution is coming from an NFL loan that will be paid back by PSL's (so not actually Pegula's money).

 

Fans will pay for the taxpayer portion, and the PSL portion.

 

It's a taxpayer stadium, we just dont have no say in what it looks like. Odd how that works.

 

 

it is Pegs money. Any PSL belongs to Pegs. They are contributing it to the stadium. Pegs are contributing large sum off the bat plus paying 50 mill for demo of old Highmark. Plus responsible for all cost overruns. Plus money NFL is putting in was paid in by all teams including Bills over the years. A use it or lose it scenario.

 

If you want to play allocation game with NFL money then we will also with Senneca Nations casino money that is footing all of the state contribution. Another use it or lose it to NYC scenario.

 

bottom line is Pegs is responsible for over 50% of cost when all is said and done. Not as bad a deal as some want to make it out to be. Lucas Oil and Chicgao was all tax funded. TN new digs well over 50% tax funded. Similar to Vegas too.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/22/taxpayers-are-paying-billions-for-nfl-stadiums-heres-how.html

 

for the record i am in favor of no tax subsidies for stadiums or private business building. But efforts to pass those have failed. Until it is stopped for all private entities like walmart superstores, civic center, arenas, tif districts, strip malls, theatres, etc etc... it is discrimination to deny Pro sports a piece of the pie.

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by cba fan

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I don't think Pegula gets over 15% of the cost. The majority of Tpegs contribution is coming from an NFL loan that will be paid back by PSL's (so not actually Pegula's money).

 

Fans will pay for the taxpayer portion, and the PSL portion.

 

It's a taxpayer stadium, we just dont have no say in what it looks like. Odd how that works.

 

 

Say what??? When you go to a movie or a restaurant did you have much say in what the building looked like? And yet, as a customer you pay the ENTIRE cost of the film or dinner. 

Edited March 1, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Einstein]

46 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Say what??? When you go to a movie or a restaurant did you have much say in what the building looked like? And yet, as a customer you pay the ENTIRE cost of the film or dinner. 

 

That comparison makes no sense.

 

My money pays to see the movie that I chose. I didn’t pay for the building and then pay for the movie on top of it.

48 minutes ago, cba fan said:

it is Pegs money. Any PSL belongs to Pegs. They are contributing it to the stadium

 

PSL’s only go the stadium. That’s why they exist. They were invented to pay for stadium building. They do not go into owners pockets.

 

48 minutes ago, cba fan said:

 

If you want to play allocation game with NFL money then we will also with Senneca Nations casino money that is footing all of the state contribution. Another use it or lose it to NYC scenario.

 

Nope. That is NYS tax money. If it didn’t go toward the stadium, it would be earmarked for something else. The fact that it’s going toward the stadium means that taxpayers are paying for the full amount of whatever that Seneca money would have went to. Either way, taxpayers pay for it.

 

48 minutes ago, cba fan said:

bottom line is Pegs is responsible for over 50% of cost when all is said and done. Not as bad a deal as some want to make it out to be. Lucas Oil and Chicgao was all tax funded. TN new digs well over 50% tax funded. Similar to Vegas too.

Pegs will end up paying around 10-15% of the total cost out of pocket.

[HOUSE]

So far, I don't like it. The outside shape appears warped and the over hang (seen from the inside) appears to be my grandpa's old tin fence 😀 

 

 

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Edited March 1, 2023 by HOUSE

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

That comparison makes no sense.

 

My money pays to see the movie that I chose. I didn’t pay for the building and then pay for the movie on top of it.

You’ve got to be kidding….right? Who do you think pays for the movie theater? Santa Claus? Here’s a hint…you do! It’s built into the price of your ticket. The same is true of that power tool you bought at Home Depot. 
 

Not sure why you think the Bills need to please your specific needs. They conducted a community survey a couple of years ago to get GENERAL input. You’re not ordering a pizza here. But, with all of that said, if you prefer to sit under a cover, the new stadium will give you literally thousands of seats to choose from. How many seats are you planning on sitting in? 

[BringBackFergy]

A couple things I’ve seen from the renderings:

* Why aren’t the cocktail servers in tuxedos and/or short dresses?

* I don’t see any fur linings on the seats for added warmth, why not?

* I understand we can’t have Marlboro as a sponsor on signs anymore, but why don’t they have Grey Poupon or Jaguar as sponsors surrounding the Jumbotron?

* Is there a reason why they don’t show individual tv screens on each seat back? 
* Can’t they design more legroom for fans? I would buy season tix if I could recline a little bit and kick my boots off. 
 

The design is vanilla. We need to improve it much more to attract real football fans. 

[ghostwriter]

This brings tears of joy to my heart. I’m so glad that we have an owner who is not only committed to winning, but is committed to Buffalo. God bless the entire Pegula family.

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

So far, I don't like it. The outside shape appears warped and the over hang (seen from the inside) appears to be my grandpa's old tin fence 😀 

 

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What you’re seeing is the underside of the actual roof structure: painted steel beams and metal roof deck. It costs a lot of money to install a ceiling under that structure, but I tend to agree with your initial assessment. I actually thought they’d go with a translucent material as you see in the inner ring of the Tottenham roof….but oh well. 

[Einstein]

38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Who do you think pays for the movie theater? Santa Claus? Here’s a hint…you do! It’s built into the price of your ticket.

 

Ok so the Bills shouldn’t take any money from the state then, right? They should cover the stadium costs with the price of tickets, right?

 

38 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

 

The same is true of that power tool you bought at Home Depot. 

 

When you go to Home Depot, do you only pay for your tool?

 

Or did you pay for the building, then pay for your right to enter that building, and then pay for the tool?

 

Because unless it’s the latter, your comparison makes no sense.

 

1) We pay for stadium via taxpayer money.

2) We pay for it via PSL’s.

3) We pay for it via the ticket (this is the comparison of the power tool).

 

The first two are no comparison to home depot, movie theaters or anything else.

 

This is not the Bills stadium. It’s the taxpayer stadium. That’s why the Bills don’t own it. It’s owned by the State.

 

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Edited March 1, 2023 by Einstein

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

When you go to Home Depot, do you only pay for your tool?

 

Or did you pay for the building, then pay for your right to enter that building, and then pay for the tool?

 

Because unless it’s the latter, your comparison makes no sense.

 

1) We pay for stadium via taxpayer money.

2) We pay for it via PSL’s.

3) We pay for it via the ticket (this is the comparison of the power tool).

 

The first two are no comparison to home depot, movie theaters or anything else.

 

This is not the Bills stadium. It’s the taxpayer stadium. That’s why the Bills don’t own it. It’s owned by the State.

And for that, you want them to ask you personally what you’d like it to look like? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Einstein]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

And for that, you want them to ask you personally what you’d like it to look like? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

It would be great if a taxpayer paid-for stadium had a public vote, yes. That’s how democracy works. 

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Ok so the Bills shouldn’t take any money from the state then, right? They should cover the stadium costs with the price of tickets, right?

 

 

When you go to Home Depot, do you only pay for your tool?

 

Or did you pay for the building, then pay for your right to enter that building, and then pay for the tool?

 

Because unless it’s the latter, your comparison makes no sense.

 

1) We pay for stadium via taxpayer money.

2) We pay for it via PSL’s.

3) We pay for it via the ticket (this is the comparison of the power tool).

 

The first two are no comparison to home depot, movie theaters or anything else.

 

This is not the Bills stadium. It’s the taxpayer stadium. That’s why the Bills don’t own it. It’s owned by the State.

 

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Actually I believe it’s owned by the county. At least RWS was 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

It would be great if a taxpayer paid-for stadium had a public vote, yes. That’s how democracy works. 

Please give me the extensive list of publicly funded projects you’ve designed. 

[Einstein]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Please give me the extensive list of publicly funded projects you’ve designed. 

 

None. 

 

I’ve also never held public office. But I still have the right to vote for public officials, because… democracy.

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

Actually I believe it’s owned by the county. At least RWS was 

 

Yeah the County owned Rich/Ralph stadium but the state will own the new one.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

None. 

 

I’ve also never held public office. But I still have the right to vote for public officials, because… democracy.

 

Yeah the County owned Rich/Ralph stadium but the state will own the new one.

So here’s the thing. I’ve designed literally hundreds of publicly funded projects and not once did we ask every single person if they liked how it looked. Now, you’re more than welcome to express your opinion…seriously. But neither the Bills, nor the State/County are under any obligation to seek your approval on the aesthetics of the project.

 

Sorry.

[mrags]

33 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

A couple things I’ve seen from the renderings:

* Why aren’t the cocktail servers in tuxedos and/or short dresses?

* I don’t see any fur linings on the seats for added warmth, why not?

* I understand we can’t have Marlboro as a sponsor on signs anymore, but why don’t they have Grey Poupon or Jaguar as sponsors surrounding the Jumbotron?

* Is there a reason why they don’t show individual tv screens on each seat back? 
* Can’t they design more legroom for fans? I would buy season tix if I could recline a little bit and kick my boots off. 
 

The design is vanilla. We need to improve it much more to attract real football fans. 

I love your jokes Fergy. They are truly hilarious. Made me chuckle. Until the very end. When you said we need to improve it to attract real football fans. The fact is that with the prices of the new stadium, people that spend that kind of money will want some comfort. I’ve been to hundreds of games at RWS and I can say that I absolutely love my experiences there. And regardless what some here say, spending $8k a year on a pair of tickets for 8 games is too much. I suppose there are people that will pay for it. Of course they will. But the fact is that those people are not the same people that everyone thinks of when they talk about Bills Mafia. They are a whine and cheese crowd in the preferred Bills parking lots that pull into the lot at 11am with their Escalades and Navigators. That’s fine. And I’ll likely be buying seats in the new stadium in some capacity. But let’s not get it confused who the Bills are targeting with this new stadium. They say they want to keep it affordable for people in the area, and continue to have Bills fans attend games, all while pricing the vast majority of fans out right out of the blocks.
 

Which is what my issue is from the start. sure I can pay for tickets. But do I really want to spend $1000 every time I go to a game? Maybe if I wasn’t freezing my ass off while I was there it would make it easier to stomach that. 

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So here’s the thing. I’ve designed literally hundreds of publicly funded projects and not once did we ask every single person if they liked how it looked. Now, you’re more than welcome to express your opinion…seriously. But neither the Bills, nor the State/County are under any obligation to seek your approval on the aesthetics of the project.

 

Sorry.

I think the bigger problem is what the majority would have wanted considering tax payer funds are paying for it. If Pegula would have built it himself then nobody has any argument in any of this. But it’s tax payer money and it feels like they shorted the tax payers on what we could have had for the money. But what am I thinking, expecting people in power in NYS care about their constituents.