Stadium Renderings Part 2

[John from Riverside]

So I don’t have a dog in the fight because I’m 3000 miles away but I am wondering what the cost would have been to put a retractable dome

[Since1981]

There is actual sunshine in all the renderings. Nicely done! designed by distant Populous peeps showing fictional weather. That’s a beautiful sky, somewhere else. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Since1981

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

I’ll end up justifying just 2-3 games yearly with family. If the bills suck in 2028, 20 yr old drunk college table jumpers buy cheap. 
 

I am glad the wind seems to have been heavily addressed. They better not screw that wind up or Bills are doomed in tomorrow’s offensive FA  NFL. 

tomorrow's?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It should be eye opening for the Bills that this stadium is generating very little excitement.

 

 

[May Day 10]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It should be eye opening for the Bills that this stadium is generating very little excitement.

 

 

 

They have given very little though other than some very broad/general concept art designs.  I wouldn't even classify these as renderings.  We really have seen nothing other than some far-away shots of the seating area, the roof, and some of the facade.  No amenities or specific seating areas/concepts have been provided at all.  

[HOUSE]

On 2/25/2023 at 8:36 PM, JaCrispy said:

Where’s the roof?

Looks like an easy dome job in 2028

 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

So I don’t have a dog in the fight because I’m 3000 miles away but I am wondering what the cost would have been to put a retractable dome

A lot of different numbers have been thrown around but I suppose the easiest comparison would be Tennessee’s recently proposed enclosed stadium, since it will be constructed at the same time as the Bills’. It is reported to cost $2.2 billion. Compare that to the $1.4 billion for the Bills’. (Tennessee’s I believe is just enclosed, not retractable.)

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, mrags said:

That’s because that roof overhang isn’t responsible for keeping 65% of the stadium seats dry. It will likely cover about half of the 500 level seats. Then you will have levels 200, 300, and 400 that will have over 50% of the seats covered and heated just like the club seats in the current stadium. Then you’ll have a few overhangs in the end zones in multiple levels, as well as a few spots in the 100s that are also covered by an overhang with heat. 
 

the misconception is that the roof overhangs will keep “62%” (a number confirmed by the Bills at one point) fry. It won’t. So just like the club seats now, unless you plan on bucking up big money for a club type seat, good luck getting out of the elements. 
 

this is my biggest issue with the stadium. I’ve been a ST holder for 17 years. If I’m going to spend the kind of money they want to charge for the new seats and PSLs, I want to be dry and warm while I’m there. 
 

my personal opinion is that a huge number of Bills Mafia will be priced out of season tickets. Which I also think may be a good thing. The nfl, the team, the city, doesn’t want drunk 20 year olds jumping through flaming tables and doing butt chugs in the parking lots before games. Making the entire fan base look like a bunch of Neanderthals that just got out of moms basement for the first time. They want families feeling safe and spending entire paychecks on tickets and merchandise as well as food and beverages during their game day experience. Or corporate money from local business and national businesses alike buying high priced suites and club tickets. 
 

the fan experience of Bills Mafia as we know it today will be a thing of the past once this new stadium is complete. You heard it here first. 

 

 

That's the BS I was calling out.

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Is it too late to hire a new design team and start over on the stadium?

 

I don't even care if it's dome but this just looks really bad. 

 

Such is the life of an architect. 😂

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

There is actual sunshine in all the renderings. Nicely done! designed by distant Populous peeps showing fictional weather. That’s a beautiful sky, somewhere else. 

That was for Poyer

[SoCal Deek]

Yesterday I mentioned the yet to be revealed Concourse areas, and after looking at the renderings close up it’s clear that a good portion of them are indeed NOT enclosed (heated/cooled). If you look through the openings in the grandstand areas you can clearly see the exterior glass skin of the stadium itself. So…while they’ll surely be wider, they aren’t going to be truly out of the elements…which to me will be rather disappointing. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Airseven]

On 2/26/2023 at 8:28 AM, Einstein said:

 

This is where i’m at. Seems underwhelming for $1.4 billion or whatever the cost is at right now.

 

The Vikings got that taj mahal of a stadium for about the same price, albeit 5 or so years ago.

 

Axthally, the more I look at it the more I really dislike it. No real discernible features. Looks like a soccer stadium mixed with MetLife. 

The toilet seat is discernible.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yesterday I mentioned the yet to be revealed Concourse areas, and after looking at the renderings close up it’s clear that a good portion of them are indeed NOT enclosed (heated/cooled). If you look through the openings in the grandstand areas you can clearly see the exterior glass skin of the stadium itself. So…while they’ll surely be wider, they aren’t going to be truly out of the elements…which to me will be rather disappointing. 

 

So far we know:

 

- The stadium resembles a bedpan

- The wider concourses won’t be shielded from the elements

- There is no real discernible standout features to the stadium

- The roof overhang doesn’t appear to cover much

- Radiant heating will only be in the VIP areas 

- The scoreboards appear oddly small (like one of those weird widescreen monitors)

- The entrances look like you’re going into a department store

- The sections are very blocky and jagged. There is probably a good reason for this (crowd control?) but it looks ugly.

 

I am so bummed that this is all they can do with $1.4B

 

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Edited February 28, 2023 by Einstein

[teef]

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

[Figster]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

Season ticket holders need to voice their concerns IMO.

 

To me it looks like the partial roof overhang may become a problem in the winter with ice coming down from above IMO.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Figster

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

So far we know:

 

- The stadium resembles a bedpan

- The wider concourses won’t be shielded from the elements

- There is no real discernible standout features to the stadium

- The roof overhang doesn’t appear to cover much

- Radiant heating will only be in the VIP areas 

- The scoreboards appear oddly small (like one of those weird widescreen monitors)

- The entrances look like you’re going into a department store

- The sections are very blocky and jagged. There is probably a good reason for this (crowd control?) but it looks ugly.

 

I am so bummed that this is all they can do with $1.4B

 

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so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs?  amazing.

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Season ticket holders need to voice their concerns IMO.

sure, but we have people complaining with knowing very little specifics.  just because the esthetic isn't what some wanted, there's immediate crying.  

 

 

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs?  amazing.

sure, but we have people complaining with knowing very little specifics.  just because the esthetic isn't what some wanted, there's immediate crying.  

 

 

They go by what they are shown so far.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

That's the BS I was calling out.

That’s why I added it up originally. The 62% people are thinking is that the overhang will come over and over half of the fans. Just not true. It’ll cover likely over half of the 500 level. Then each level will have its own overhang that will likely cover 50% or more like the clubs in our current stadium. Every level will have coverage in some capacity. I’m not sure the 62% is supposed to be total, or up to 62% of each section. It’s statistical numbers that could be skewed in any way they want to make it sound better, which it did at the time. Now the renderings show different. Which is odd because if you look at Tottenheim stadium, the pictures show that the overhang is much larger and covers what appears to be every single seat. This is probably what bothers me the most. 
 

https://www.designboom.com/architecture/new-tottenham-hotspur-stadium-london-populous-04-02-2019/

13 minutes ago, teef said:

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

No. It just sucks. They are going to spend 1.4B of the taxpayers money on a new stadium that didn’t really address any issues of the old stadium besides concourse width, bathrooms, and vending areas. Not sure how anyone would be ok with that. 

[Einstein]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs?  

 

The same things that go into every stadium, you mean? We just saw Minnesota build the taj mahal with the same budget a few years ago.

[Figster]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

That’s why I added it up originally. The 62% people are thinking is that the overhang will come over and over half of the fans. Just not true. It’ll cover likely over half of the 500 level. Then each level will have its own overhang that will likely cover 50% or more like the clubs in our current stadium. Every level will have coverage in some capacity. I’m not sure the 62% is supposed to be total, or up to 62% of each section. It’s statistical numbers that could be skewed in any way they want to make it sound better, which it did at the time. Now the renderings show different. Which is odd because if you look at Tottenheim stadium, the pictures show that the overhang is much larger and covers what appears to be every single seat. This is probably what bothers me the most. 
 

https://www.designboom.com/architecture/new-tottenham-hotspur-stadium-london-populous-04-02-2019/

What does this overhang accomplish, If anything. A safety hazard in the winter from above IMO.