Stadium Renderings Part 2

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

As far as the average fan goes, if they truly just went for the sake of taking in the energy of the game then none of these other stadiums would be adding in things to make the game day experience better. They would stick with concourses like they always have had. The stadium experience is big part of the game more so now then it ever has before. 

 

Interesting comment.  I've only been to a couple of games in recent years, so I'm hardly the one to know, but what I do know is that when I've gone, instead of enjoying the game, many people are filming or taking selfies and other pics, a lot, not just once or twice throughout the game.  In fact, last game I was at, my daughter was too busy video recording a huge play that she missed watching it live and it was right in front of us.  She was upset about it, but I told her, stop recording and watch the game.  I had to say that a bunch of times tho.  

 

I've noticed that at concerts as well.  I guess I don't understand it, because as you say, the stadium experience is what it's all about for me.  I can't experience it if I'm recording.  

[SoCal Deek]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I also said it’ll be a major upgrade but no one cares about how pretty and wide the new concourses will be.

We most definitely disagree there. If you eliminate the dome roof (which appears to have long ago been eliminated from the amenities) the next things in order would be:

 

1. Seat width and leg room

2. Restroom availability 

3. Concourse width

4. Concession quality and variety

5. Sight lines (hardly a factor in a football only facility)

6. Scoreboard/in-stadium technology (hardly a factor in a modern facility)

7. Exterior appearance (hardly a factor out in the suburbs) 

 

Number 2, 3 and 4 are all in the concourses.

 

I’m curious where you’d rank them.

[Saxum]

15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

What's interesting is what a small percentage, relatively speaking, ticket sales are as a percentage of revenues.  I'm wondering if the team doesn't care if it sells out the seats.  I'm not sure what the individual ticket sale policy would be.  I

 

 

Clearly they do not for they reduced capacity.  Their advice from Jerry Jones appears to have been reduce number of seats to drive up demand and prices which is odd since his temple is one of the biggest stadium in the NFL.

[cba fan]

On 2/26/2023 at 8:07 AM, Nextmanup said:

All that glass looks stunning in a concept rendering.

 

It'll look like dirty garbage in about 3 weeks of WNY weather.

 

I hope they plan on hiring a lot of window washers.

 

 

they make glass now that is effectively self cleaning. So don't worry. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

We most definitely disagree there. If you eliminate the dome roof (which appears to have long ago been eliminated from the amenities) the next things in order would be:

 

1. Seat width and leg room

2. Restroom availability 

3. Concourse width

4. Concession quality and variety

5. Sight lines (hardly a factor in a football only facility)

6. Scoreboard/in-stadium technology (hardly a factor in a modern facility)

7. Exterior appearance (hardly a factor out in the suburbs) 

 

Number 2, 3 and 4 are all in the concourses.

 

I’m curious where you’d rank them.

In my 40 or so games attending the stadium the only topics that came up concerning the stadium are the weather and bathrooms.

 

So bathrooms would be number 1.

[Dick_Cheney]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

List of dome teams who've won the Super Bowl:

• 1999 St. Louis Rams
• 2006 Indianapolis Colts
• 2009 New Orleans Saints

The End

Lol sure. Go back and include the teams that play in near perfect weather year round, dome or not.

 

Just bizarre that so many on here are in denial that it would help us. You can admit that while at the same time acknowledging that Pegula isn't going to make it happen.

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

In my 40 or so games attending the stadium the only topics that came up concerning the stadium are the weather and bathrooms.

 

So bathrooms would be number 1.

Fair enough. What I think you’re missing is that the new stadium is a complete do-over, so things that you’ve taken for granted all these years might actually be compromised in the new stadium.
 

Most people don’t realize that the biggest single factor in stadium venue design is the width of the seats and the spacing of the rows. The new facility will most certainly not have bench seating but instead individual bucket seats. If the designers try and squeeze in an additional seat per row or additional row per seating level it will have a significant impact on your game day experience. 

 

Likewise, on a raining, windy, or really cold afternoon, having heated, wide concourse areas both before the game and during halftime will be a much welcomed improvement. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

Lol sure. Go back and include the teams that play in near perfect weather year round, dome or not.

 

Just bizarre that so many on here are in denial that it would help us. You can admit that while at the same time acknowledging that Pegula isn't going to make it happen.

It’s odd. I also believe the only reason Pegula isn’t building a dome is because half the fans believe football should be played outdoors and the other half don’t care either way.

If you notice, the only people not talked about or questioned are the players. There’s a reason for that. 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Fair enough. What I think you’re missing is that the new stadium is a complete do-over, so things that you’ve taken for granted all these years might actually be compromised in the new stadium.
 

Most people don’t realize that the biggest single factor in stadium venue design is the width of the seats and the spacing of the rows. The new facility will most certainly not have bench seating but instead individual bucket seats. If the designers try and squeeze in an additional seat per row or additional row per seating level it will have a significant impact on your game day experience. 

 

Likewise, on a raining, windy, or really cold afternoon, having heated, wide concourse areas both before the game and during halftime will be a much welcomed improvement. 

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

[PBF81]

24 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Clearly they do not for they reduced capacity.  Their advice from Jerry Jones appears to have been reduce number of seats to drive up demand and prices which is odd since his temple is one of the biggest stadium in the NFL.

 

I don't think that going from 70k to 60k is really going to make that difference tho.  

 

You don't think they're going to have any difficulty then selling tix at over twice the current face value, while charging PSL fees?  

 

I'd love to see that but I'm also not so sure.  But my point was that maybe they don't even care all that much of we only sell say 40k of the 60.  

 

Time will tell, but when the topic comes up, it seems like there are a lot of STHs here that day they're not going to pay that much and will watch at home instead.  

 

 

[Fleezoid]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

 

I'll be well over a 100 by then. But still contributing to the Bills Fans' 0.076 BAC. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

I don’t think you’re a jerk by any means. Your concerns however appear to be single minded…no dome:no good. I’m trying to point out that after you get passed that single issue there are many, many other factors that are going to either be done well, or not. Most of them are the hands of the stadium architects. I sure hope that the ones I listed up above are being given their due consideration or it REALLY won’t be a success on any level. 
 

What has me somewhat amazed is that the renderings released address VERY FEW of those fan related design factors. I’m reserving judgement until we’re shown much, much more. 

[Einstein]

44 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

"Axthally" it is not surprising you dislike something about the Bills.

They remind you of the nuns who used to hit your fingers with their rulers when you misspelled. 

I bet you thought that sounded way cooler in your head before you hit post. 

 

Internet bullying is lame.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

if they sell the place out (which they will, at least for a while) who really cares?

 

what exactly are these recent improvements to Rodgers Center that supposedly help draw casual fans? You mentioned new and expanded food offerings, which the Bills’ new stadium most certainly will also have. What are the others?

 

Just a funny little aside, when Atlanta got the fancy new stadium (which I can’t say I love) they bragged about how they were going to have very affordable concessions. It was true, they were cheap, but on three different occasions at a single Falcons game I gave up waiting in LONG lines to get one of those cheap hotdogs and a beer. Some things sound good, but are not all they were cracked up to be. 

 

This may say something about the people who are so clearly unhappy about the stadium that we know so little about. If I had my choice, it would probably be a domed stadium downtown. But it’s not. I can live with that.  All I hope for now is for everything to run smoothly and efficiently with good sight-lines. Get it right and don’t have any unexpected setbacks. One of the fancy new stadiums (SoFi in LA?) had steps so steep it would be a battle for many people to get to the upper seats, where the average person would battle vertigo. It may look shiny and pretty, but I would not want to sit in the seats I saw a video from. 

 

I may be disappointed when I first see the new home of the Bills, but I certainly don’t know enough about the interior and amenities for me to have much of an opinion today. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

Not sure where you saw $800M. It’s actually about half of that. The rest is paid by taxpayers and really it’s all paid by taxpayers because the $400m of casino money was going to go toward other state programs which are now being funded by taxpayers instead. Either way, taxpayers are footing the entirety of the nearly $1B. It’s really just a marketing ploy to make it seem like less.

I have often wondered what gave the state the right to the 400M from the indian casinos ?

 

Its their land, their casinos and should be their money.

 

I'm surprised NYS was able to take it.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

 

What has me somewhat amazed is that the renderings released address VERY FEW of those fan related design factors. I’m reserving judgement until we’re shown much, much more. 

 

Speaking of, why haven't we been shown more?

 

Other stadiums being built had full video walkthroughs and virtual 3D experiences by this point. Titans, for example, who got funding after we did.

[JoPoy88]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

maybe you get in there an hour before the game starts so you haven’t experienced it, but the concourse width and comfort @SoCal Deek mentioned are major, major issues at the current stadium. I’ve had season tickets since ‘07. The vast majority of tailgating fans are trying to cram in there 15-20 min before kickoff. Nothing puts a damper on the experience more than vast lines at the gates and gridlock within the sewer tunnel concourses before kickoff. Everyone I know has complained about it. The fact that you don’t think it’s an issue or never heard any complaints is, frankly, hard to believe.

Edited February 27, 2023 by JoPoy88

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I have often wondered what gave the state the right to the 400M from the indian casinos ?

 

Its their land, their casinos and should be their money.

 

I'm surprised NYS was able to take it.

 

It was an agreement between Seneca tribes and NYS.

Seneca got exclusive rights to casino in Buffalo and surrounding areas, and in return they would pay NYS 25% of slot money.

[Augie]

55 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We most definitely disagree there. If you eliminate the dome roof (which appears to have long ago been eliminated from the amenities) the next things in order would be:

 

1. Seat width and leg room

2. Restroom availability 

3. Concourse width

4. Concession quality and variety

5. Sight lines (hardly a factor in a football only facility)

6. Scoreboard/in-stadium technology (hardly a factor in a modern facility)

7. Exterior appearance (hardly a factor out in the suburbs) 

 

Number 2, 3 and 4 are all in the concourses.

 

I’m curious where you’d rank them.

 

Your #1 is huge to me! I wouldn’t go to State Farm Arena in ATL for anything for years because the seating was uncomfortably tight. I’m not huge by any means at 6’1”, but I had nowhere to put my legs! I ended up walking the whole second half of a Hawks game because the seating space sucked! 

 

We know virtually nothing about 2-4, and that’s where we need the biggest improvements. How can anyone judge without knowing the answers there? 

 

EDIT: I’ve heard the seats have been rearranged at State Farm Arena. It couldn’t be worse. 

 

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Edited February 27, 2023 by Augie

[TBBills Fan]

On 2/26/2023 at 12:31 AM, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

How can that thing be so expensive?

Real bathrooms