Spencer Brown

[newcam2012]

Spencer Brown registered a 6.5% Pressure Allowed Percentage per PFF (Among ALL OL with 14 games played). 

That was ranked the 103rd out of 113 players- NOT GOOD

 

I hope the Bills have a great plan to solidify a weak offensive line.

 

I'm not sure what they see in Brown? He's more a liability than an assest thus far. 

 

How confident are we Beane can make the necessary changes and upgrades? How confident are we in Brown? 

[GunnerBill]

As a rookie I think what they saw is a run blocking monster with a mean streak who really finishes blocks. The rawness to his pass pro should have been recognised by all. 

 

What they got as a 2nd year guy was no discernable development or refinement as a pass blocker and a regression in the run game. I wonder how much the back surgery and disrupted off season played a part but they need to make sure there is competition for Brown in camp next year. It is a big year for him. He has to solidify his spot or the Bills will be looking to replace him fully in a year from now.

[LEBills]

We need to do better than Brown. Let him be a back up swing tackle and develop a bit, he was expected to be a bit of a project coming out of the draft. Maybe if he gets some time to work on his play he can carve out a starting spot in the future.

 

I would draft Darnell Wright OT Tennessee in the first.

 

He is ready right now to play RT. Didn’t allow a sack this year while going up against some of the pas rushers in the country such as Will Anderson. Did well at the senior bowl as well. He isn’t talked about as a first rounder much but I think he winds up as one. Much cheaper than getting a good vet in FA too.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

We need to do better than Brown. Let him be a back up swing tackle and develop a bit, he was expected to be a bit of a project coming out of the draft. Maybe if he gets some time to work on his play he can carve out a starting spot in the future.

 

I would draft Darnell Wright OT Tennessee in the first.

 

He is ready right now to play RT. Didn’t allow a sack this year while going up against some of the pas rushers in the country such as Will Anderson. Did well at the senior bowl as well. He isn’t talked about as a first rounder much but I think he winds up as one. Much cheaper than getting a good vet in FA too.

 

I don't think he ends up in the first round (although I noted DJ had him there) because he is a RT only. 

 

I feel like I have been here before - Jawaan Taylor, Teven Jenkins... guys who NFL teams see as right tackles only do not go day 1. 

[finn]

So that's two season-long starters on the OL who ranked among the very worst in the league, including backups. 

 

Do we really need to look further to explain why the Bills were stumbling by the end? Or how terrific other elements of the team were to makeup for the high school varsity quality of Brown and Saffold? 

 

I prefer the second frame. What other team did as well with players as base incompetent? 

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I wonder how much the back surgery and disrupted off season played a part but they need to make sure there is competition for Brown in camp next year. It is a big year for him. He has to solidify his spot or the Bills will be looking to replace him fully in a year from now.

 

I don't see the surgery having much impact on his development; I just don't think he has the feet to play Tackle at this level.

Just like they could have last year, the Bills could save themselves a lot of trouble by spending  a high pick on an OT  and moving Brown inside to RG to see if he has a future there, because it's the only place he's ever going to be an effective starter in this league.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I don't see the surgery having much impact on his development; I just don't think he has the feet to play Tackle at this level.

Just like they could have last year, the Bills could save themselves a lot of trouble by spending  a high pick on an OT  and moving Brown inside to RG to see if he has a future there, because it's the only place he's ever going to be an effective starter in this league.

 

Ha. Whereas I am adament he can't play guard. He doesn't have the bend at his size to play inside IMO. Low man wins in the middle. The taller guys who succeed generally have great bend and flexible hips. That isn't Spencer. So between us we might be getting to "he can't play". 

 

I'd keep him at tackle, let a vet - even Ques - genuinely compete at RT in camp. Start the best guy. If this time next year the jury is still out they need to draft a guy (not that I am not open to drafting a guy this year depending on how things fall). 

Edited February 25, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I don't see the surgery having much impact on his development; I just don't think he has the feet to play Tackle at this level.

Just like they could have last year, the Bills could save themselves a lot of trouble by spending  a high pick on an OT  and moving Brown inside to RG to see if he has a future there, because it's the only place he's ever going to be an effective starter in this league.

I agree with the lack of footwork. The weird part is everything I’ve read says he’s an exceptional athlete. He’s got this training camp to show better footwork. I wonder if being 6’8” will hurt him at guard. Too tall and seems too upright in his stance. 

[Simon]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

Ha. Whereas I am adament he can't play guard. He doesn't have the bend at his size to play inside IMO. Low man wins in the middle. The taller guys who succeed generally have great bend and flexible hips. That isn't Spencer. So between us we might be getting to "he can't play". 

 

That may well end up being the case, but I do think there's a chance he can succeed at Guard just because he is so damned strong. When he gets his hands on people, it's usually all over and I think he might be able to move and redirect people inside even without the best leverage. You're not going to want to run a lot of sneaks behind him and there could be the occasional issue with passing lanes because of his height, but it's his best chance for success, imo.

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

The weird part is everything I’ve read says he’s an exceptional athlete

 

I think that comes from the very good combine numbers he put up in specific, predictable agility drills he was able to repeat thousands of time in advance.

When he has to adjust on the fly because he doesn't know how defenders are going to attack him, that practiced athleticism just disappears.

[Shortchaz]

But who’s going to tell him he can’t play?

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

But who’s going to tell him he can’t play?

 

He'll never admit it, but I think he's afraid of McDermott. He was about to get in a fight after a play out of bounds this year(I think vs Miami), then saw McDermott coming down the sideline and immediately turned around and ran back on the field.

You could practically hear him saying "Here comes Coach, oh shlt, oh shlt, oh shlt......" 

[Dopey]

6 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He'll never admit it, but I think he's afraid of McDermott. He was about to get in a fight after a play out of bounds this year(I think vs Miami), then saw McDermott coming down the sideline and immediately turned around and ran back on the field.

You could practically hear him saying "Here comes Coach, oh shlt, oh shlt, oh shlt......" 

little man can wrestle. I always look for cauliflower ears. Run !

[OldTimer1960]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

As a rookie I think what they saw is a run blocking monster with a mean streak who really finishes blocks. The rawness to his pass pro should have been recognised by all. 

 

What they got as a 2nd year guy was no discernable development or refinement as a pass blocker and a regression in the run game. I wonder how much the back surgery and disrupted off season played a part but they need to make sure there is competition for Brown in camp next year. It is a big year for him. He has to solidify his spot or the Bills will be looking to replace him fully in a year from now.

I agree that they need competition for Brown, but the fact that he missed training last offseason due to his back and missed almost all training camp, as well, is an easy explanation for no development.  Now, that isn’t to say that we know he’ll improve if healthy, but I think there is a reason to believe he might.  Still, as you said, they need another OT in case he doesn’t.  

[NewEra]

41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he ends up in the first round (although I noted DJ had him there) because he is a RT only. 

 

I feel like I have been here before - Jawaan Taylor, Teven Jenkins... guys who NFL teams see as right tackles only do not go day 1. 

Or with the last pick in the first round.  Wright to KC is my prediction.  Makes too much sense. 

[Rigotz]

37 minutes ago, finn said:

So that's two season-long starters on the OL who ranked among the very worst in the league, including backups. 

 

Do we really need to look further to explain why the Bills were stumbling by the end? Or how terrific other elements of the team were to makeup for the high school varsity quality of Brown and Saffold? 

…and then you have the Bengals with 3 backup o-linemen… dominating us in the trenches and almost making it to the Super Bowl again.

 

Hmm.

[H2o]

40 minutes ago, LEBills said:

We need to do better than Brown. Let him be a back up swing tackle and develop a bit, he was expected to be a bit of a project coming out of the draft. Maybe if he gets some time to work on his play he can carve out a starting spot in the future.

 

I would draft Darnell Wright OT Tennessee in the first.

 

He is ready right now to play RT. Didn’t allow a sack this year while going up against some of the pas rushers in the country such as Will Anderson. Did well at the senior bowl as well. He isn’t talked about as a first rounder much but I think he winds up as one. Much cheaper than getting a good vet in FA too.

I think Wright will be around in the middle-late 2nd Round, unless he smashes the Combine. My favorite RT prospect in the draft. Still, Beane's comments about Brown lead me to believe there will only be a depth signing or a later round draft pick. 

[nosejob]

Besides the back issue, he did have 2 different line coaches in 2 years. I hope he gets his mojo going, I'd like to see him succeed. I just don't know if the right side is his best (natural) side. Could Dion play the right side, or look a lot worse? I can't see them signing 2 big names in FA so I'd rather they get Powers and I'd be fine with DW at 27.

[CoudyBills]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ha. Whereas I am adament he can't play guard. He doesn't have the bend at his size to play inside IMO. Low man wins in the middle. The taller guys who succeed generally have great bend and flexible hips. That isn't Spencer. So between us we might be getting to "he can't play". 

 

I'd keep him at tackle, let a vet - even Ques - genuinely compete at RT in camp. Start the best guy. If this time next year the jury is still out they need to draft a guy (not that I am not open to drafting a guy this year depending on how things fall). 

Serious question, what does the RAS score we heard so much about measure?  His feet are slow and he has no bend.  Is he just fast for his size?  That's just not a good reason to consider someone.

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Spencer Brown registered a 6.5% Pressure Allowed Percentage per PFF (Among ALL OL with 14 games played). 

That was ranked the 103rd out of 113 players- NOT GOOD

 

I hope the Bills have a great plan to solidify a weak offensive line.

 

I'm not sure what they see in Brown? He's more a liability than an assest thus far. 

 

How confident are we Beane can make the necessary changes and upgrades? How confident are we in Brown? 

I’m not confident in either…

[warrior9]

I'm not ready to give up on him yet. Like someone else + OP pointed out:

SOLID rookie year with insane raw talent. It was to the point where when he didn't play, we panicked. 

 

Back Surgery, no off-season, second year (sophomore slump, potentially.. not using this as a 'real excuse') and then yeah, he regressed a little. 

 

This season will be huge for him and I think he knows it.