Looks like Poyer is more than willing to leave and play for Miami of all places.

[Bills!Win!]

Poyer was one of my favorite bills. If he joins an afc east rival then he becomes hated 

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, JimBob2232 said:

https://www.hodgsonruss.com/media/publication/434_How States Handle Signing Bonuses for Athletes.pdf

 

This is a very interesting article.  BLUF - it appears that signing bonuses are taxed based on your residency at the time they are paid.  So an athlete with residence in florida will not pay tax on a signing bonus.   Interesting....they even use a NY example in this article with court cases to support it. 

 

Intresting.  Im sure NFL players, teams and their agents and CPAs are all over the legalities of htis.

 

When a player has his contract "restructured" it's paid out as a signing bonus.

Now we know why all players like them.

 

Thanks for the info.

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Texas and Nevada are also states that have no state income tax and “better” weather than Buffalo.  Vegas and Houston currently have the 3rd and 5th most salary cap space.  Miami has the 25th most.  Just sayin…

Miami also has some of the nicest beaches and nightlife in America and Poyer has a wife that's built for that lifestyle.

Edited February 25, 2023 by billsbackto81

[BillsFan2313]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

The dolphins almost beat us Wild Card round with a 3rd string QB and then we were embarassed the next round. Miami still has a QB under a rookie contract, who if can stay healthy (he probably won’t) will be in a position to overtake the division from us. 

 

Their win steak, that had a huge impact on them even sniffing the playoffs were against very bad teams. I don't feel like looking up the win totals. Tua has 1 year left of a "cheap" contract, his cap hit is 23 million in 2024 and the Dolphins don't even know if he is the future QB. 

[Matt_In_NH]

4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

This would be true only if rich people didn’t have tax professionals on their payroll who know how to exploit the code to where they pay less tax than an E-1 in the military.  No I’m not kidding.  My active duty Navy cousin paid $1,300 to the federal government and $600 to the state.  

You seem to be arguing against yourself.   

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, nbbillsfan said:

Buffalo is always in a tough spot recruiting. Taxes are real. Often the high tax teams  (CA teams, NYC, ect) come with mitigating factors such as weather, big market, “quality of life”, ect.

 

Buffalo, unfortunately, has the taxes without some of the offsets. Always going to be a challenge to recruit.

Completely disagree. Which FAs that we really wanted have we missed out on? According to that logic, why aren’t Miami, the Chargers, and the jets/ giants getting all these great FAs?

 

and Poyer will go wherever he gets the most money. I mean they live near Miami so it would make sense. But it’s a cash grab and I don’t blame him. It was great FA signing, respect the guy a lot, but i trust McDermott and company to find a good S for much, much cheaper.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Would be great if that’s the plan… I have a hard time believing they won’t be targeting a Safety late in round 1. 

Well that would be beyond awful. Given where we got Poyer/ Hyde and where they were drafted, safety shouldn’t be a high pick unless you are guaranteeing Polmalu or Ed Reed.

[Process]

Players in FL still pay state taxes in every other state they play in. Sure they will save a decent amount, but it's not like they completely avoid state tax.

 

His comment on the weather, it is what it is and what it always will be. The weather in Bufalo is ****ing miserable 7 months of the year. He's right, we go weeks without seeing the sun. 

 

If I was a young multi millionaire with no connection to the city, no way I'd voluntarily play here unless it came with more $$$. That's coming from someone who has lived here me my whole life and won't be leaving anytime soon. 

 

It's why we had to give a 34 year old a $120M contract. It's just how it is. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

They're ALL aging. That's life.

 

But, Poyer will be 32.  That's aging too much, at least for someone seeking a new contract.

 

id give him a 2 year deal if that’s what it takes. I understand at this point it probably won’t happen. 
 

I just wish more fans appreciated him a bit more

[julian]

6 weeks ago it was widely understood Bills wouldn’t be paying an older banged up safety big dollars and most were fine with this roster approach.

 

 Now the narrative for some is he wants to play for a contender(MIA lol) and doesn’t want to play for this inept coaching staff.

 

Can’t make this ***** up.

[stevestojan]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

Players in FL still pay state taxes in every other state they play in. Sure they will save a decent amount, but it's not like they completely avoid state tax.

 

His comment on the weather, it is what it is and what it always will be. The weather in Bufalo is ****ing miserable 7 months of the year. He's right, we go weeks without seeing the sun. 

 

If I was a young multi millionaire with no connection to the city, no way I'd voluntarily play here unless it came with more $$$. That's coming from someone who has lived here me my whole life and won't be leaving anytime soon. 

 

It's why we gave a 34 year old a $120M contract. 

Exactly.
 

I moved out of Buffalo 20 years ago.  I’ve lived in 7 different cities (for work) since then. Every time I go back to Buffalo, I love it. But I love it because it’s still “home” for me, the people are great and the food is “Buffalo great” (let’s be honest, we have the best Pizza - and one of the places I’ve lived was Hoboken, so I had NYC pizza regularly) but WNY doesn’t have truly excellent cuisine, with few exceptions. 
 

I love Buffalo for those reasons. But I go home once a year - for thanksgiving week. And every time I’m reminded of yes the cold, snow, and slush. And none of those bother me too much. Why I’ll never be able to move back is the gray. The gloom. That week in thanksgiving puts me in a funk as the overcast gloomy gray kills me. And that lasts for 75% of the time from early October to march-ish. 
 

That said, I’m 43, married, and don’t have tens of millions of dollars. If i was 31 with more money than most and I had no real connection to Buffalo, I’d be calling the Raiders, the Dolphins, the Rams, the Chargers, the 9ers (I was in SF two weeks ago, believe me, it’s not all the 10 blocks of the Tenderloin district that they always show on tv), hell, even the Broncos. 
 

He’s still young and despite being married to a monster, has to be considering where we really wants to live and the lifestyle those areas bring. 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know enough about the US tax system though to really understand whether it is significant.

 

Now you've done it. Two things you never bring up on an American forum - taxes and tipping.

[brianthomas]

BILLS made their choice of extending Hyde vs Poyer. Now Poyer walks because i can't see us paying top dollar to 2 safeties over 30.

If he goes to Miami then so be it. But can you imagine if Miami picks up Bobby Wagner too? What a boost that defense could have.

[thenorthremembers]

Thankful for Poyer's time here.  Hes been a very good player for the team.   That said, things like these are the reason I don't cheer for individual players or wear jerseys.   

 

In 50 years people will know who the Buffalo Bills are.  They will have no clue who Jordan Poyer is.

 

If you don't want to be here...see ya.

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Poyer is walking because he thinks Miami is better than Buffalo. He is walking because the Bills don't want to pay him. 

I can’t blame the Bills for this.

We all loved watching the Pats do their thing and refusing to overpay was one of their things.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

I think a lot of the players are sick of McDermott’s shtick and know it’s not Championship caliber, why take a discount for that?

 

Players don't take discounts for any reason. There is no such thing as a player taking a hometown discount. Here's what the man himself said:

 

"Figure out a way," you can guess what he means. He's chasing one last big contract. The Bills understandably don't want to give it to him.

 

On one hand I feel bad for Poyer. No one could ever accuse him of making business decisions in games. You could easily argue that he was underpaid relative to the level of play he gave us in his time here. He might feel a little bitter especially with his wife and his agent constantly in his ear.

 

But by the end of the season you could see that he is slowing down. In the divisional round he was legitimately awful and I think personally responsible for the first two TDs the Bengals scored. Some team with a QB on a rookie deal can afford to pay him more than he should get based on his age. The Dolphins could make sense. For the Bills we have to rebalance the resources spent on offense versus the resources spent on defense. Letting Poyer go at his age is an easy decision in that context, even moreso than Edmunds.

[T master]

Well when your getting ready to retire a lot of them either go to Fl. or Az. & he's closer to the end than the beginning of his career & has been a good player for the Bills but i think it's time to move on start getting the next generation in Buffalo to keep it rolling .

 

Thanks for the memory's Po have fun in your next destination ... GO BILLS !!!! 

[Simon Says]

4 hours ago, nosejob said:

I may be in the minority here, but I'd love to have one more year of him and Hyde.....if he hasn't already made up his mind. 2 yr. 14 mil. ?

A good chunk in signing bonus with a fairly small cap hit this year and a playing time clause that could void the 2nd yr.? IDK

I'm assuming several teams would easily beat that offer.

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

Nope…it’s still a qb league

 

again poyer wouldn’t make the difference for Miami

Then what happened to the Bills who have Allen? 

 

It looks like Tua is a difference maker on that Dolphin team. For awhile he was the leading candidate for MVP.

 

Are you implying he can lead the way past the Bills? 

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

BILLS made their choice of extending Hyde vs Poyer. Now Poyer walks because i can't see us paying top dollar to 2 safeties over 30.

If he goes to Miami then so be it. But can you imagine if Miami picks up Bobby Wagner too? What a boost that defense could have.

 

So, you were for letting Hyde walk after the 2021 season?  I'm willing to bet you were not.

Hyde signed a 5-year deal with a 2-year extension and Poyer signed a 4-year deal with a 2-year extension.

 

Hyde will not be on the team after this season.  They both were great but it's a dollar thing no matter what some people think.

I'm not b-wording you, but this board is contorting itself into pretzels at every little thing.