Bobby Wagner - the solution to the Edmunds problem

[Rigotz]

Some of us wanted him last year alongside an Edmunds trade. He ended up signing with the Rams at about $12M/per.

 

Now Bobby and the Rams are “mutually agreeing to part ways because he wants to be with a contender.”

 

How about Bobby Wagner and a late round pick to groom at MLB? 
 

 

[Billz4ever]

Not if he's going to want $12M still. That's more than Milano is making.

[JaCrispy]

Yup, I thought we should have traded Edmunds last year and signed Wagner- but of course, that would have taken foresight from our FO…😉

[Jerome007]

Are the Rams really done? They won the SB just one year ago! They had so many injuries you can't even gauge their "power rankings".

 

If Edmunds can get 12M, yes, it'd probably be better to get Wagner instead.

[sullim4]

If they can get him for the right price, sure.  He is a definite improvement over Edmunds.

 

If he wants a bunch of guaranteed money that creates a difficult cap situation, then no.  He is 32 years old; this team cannot afford to lock up more money with aging players on defense.

[DrDawkinstein]

We should be able to re-sign Edmunds with a hit of about $9M this year. Would need to get Wagner under that when he was set to have a $12M cap hit this year.

 

If we can get him on a 3/$30M with a $7M cap hit this year, then maybe.

Edited February 24, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We should be able to re-sign Edmunds with a hit of about $9M this year. Would need to get Wagner under that when he was set to have a $12M cap hit this year.

 

If we can get him on a 3/$30M with a $7M cap hit this year, then maybe.

 

 

Yeah the issue the Bills have with short term deals for good veteran players is that they can't do much to mitigate the first year cost without leaving them with dead money in the near future.

 

With Edmunds.........they can give him a long term deal and re-structure it over and over again as long as he is playable.    The dead money might be as far away as 2028 or 2030.

 

 If Edmunds was 29 and looking at $15M aav he'd not be an option for the Bills, IMO.   

 

[Jay_Fixit]

53 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Not if he's going to want $12M still. That's more than Milano is making.

Yeah. 12M of your money for an all world  significant upgrade at MLB would be brutal.

 

 

[Rigotz]

56 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Not if he's going to want $12M still. That's more than Milano is making.

 

8-time all-pro. 6-time first team all-pro. Highest rated PFF linebacker last year.

 

Just. Sayin.

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Yeah. 12M of your money for an all world  significant upgrade at MLB would be brutal.

 

 

Yeah, just what we need...another 33-year-old FA on a huge contract to further tie our hands for years to come.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Some of us wanted him last year alongside an Edmunds trade. He ended up signing with the Rams at about $12M/per.

 

Now Bobby and the Rams are “mutually agreeing to part ways because he wants to be with a contender.”

 

How about Bobby Wagner and a late round pick to groom at MLB? 
 

 

This move would be a quick fix at MLB for about a season.  But despite his age, he played well in 2002, and I’m guessing he’s going to want a multi-year deal.  

 

 I also think with their needs the Bills won’t take a LB high enough to groom this season

 

It makes sense on paper but is highly unlikely 

[Billz4ever]

26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We should be able to re-sign Edmunds with a hit of about $9M this year. Would need to get Wagner under that when he was set to have a $12M cap hit this year.

 

If we can get him on a 3/$30M with a $7M cap hit this year, then maybe.

You think Wagner would go for that?  

 

If he wants big money guaranteed up front, forget about it.

 

Not sure what to make of Edmunds.  Him saying he's going to test FA makes me think he doesn't believe the Bills will give him what he wants (or already knows that).

Edited February 24, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Gregg]

If Beane can make it work financially then definitely.

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

Not if he's going to want $12M still. That's more than Milano is making.

Yeah because Milano signed 2 years ago for a team friendly price even at the time. Milano would get paid $15M per year at minimum if he was an UFA this year. $12M per year for Wagner would be an absolute BARGAIN.

[Senth]

We want Wagner.

[Billz4ever]

 

15 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Yeah because Milano signed 2 years ago for a team friendly price even at the time. Milano would get paid $15M per year at minimum if he was an UFA this year. $12M per year for Wagner would be an absolute BARGAIN.

 

I would sign him for a 1-year deal at that.  If he wants a multi-year deal, that all depends on how it's structured.  He's good but is also going to turn 33 in June.  

Edited February 24, 2023 by Billz4ever

[DrDawkinstein]

24 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You think Wagner would go for that?  

 

If he wants big money guaranteed up front, forget about it.

 

Not sure what to make of Edmunds.  Him saying he's going to test FA makes me think he doesn't believe the Bills will give him what he wants (or already knows that).

 

I have no idea what Wagner would go for at this stage of his career. Just saying, if the argument is that "Wagner would be cheaper" it would have to be a reeeeeally cheap deal because Edmunds will get a much longer term with much smaller hits upfront.

[Warriorspikes51]

yes. 2 years 22 million 

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I have no idea what Wagner would go for at this stage of his career. Just saying, if the argument is that "Wagner would be cheaper" it would have to be a reeeeeally cheap deal because Edmunds will get a much longer term with much smaller hits upfront.

Honestly, at his age, I would be very hesitant to give him a multi-year deal.  I'd rather just sign him for a 1-yr deal that doesn't tie our hands in future years.

[dpberr]

I'd do it - 1-2 year deal.

 

A fan here posted a statistic that showed Wagner had as many interceptions in one season as a Ram (in a new defense) as Edmunds has in his entire career.  That was interesting.  

 

I'm inclined to do this sort of deal to take advantage of what's likely Von Miller's last year of playing football at a "great" level and that it'd be great if the Bills got into a Super Bowl (or win one) before the new stadium opens.  I saw this year as an all-in year and given the disappointment of the 22 season, the 23 season is even more desperate.  

 

If I were the Pegulas, I'd want everyone in OBD feeling like it's Super Bowl or else this year.  No more "aww shucks, we'll work harder!" crap.