Pressure is on McBeane - PFT discussion

[Billl]

13 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

As for Patrick the turnover he had in the AFC championship game that allowed the Bengals to tie the game Allen would have gotten killed for from people like yourself.

Bad plays happen to every QB.  It’s a matter of frequency.  Mahomes threw 100 passes and rushed 12 times in three postseason games.  He didn’t throw any interceptions, and that was his only fumble.  Josh threw 81 passes and rushed 12 times in two postseason games.  He threw 3 interceptions and fumbled 3 times.  That’s a massive difference.

[GreggTX]

Fix the OL. Then get an impact player or 2 on offense. 

Edmunds is good, but he seldom makes game changing plays. I like Beane and our coaches, but Simms and Florio are right about the clock ticking at OBD. Upgrade the OL. Let Edmunds walk. I think Poyer makes more game changing plays despite their ages. Trade Oliver if they can find an upgrade.A great DL makes up for an average secondary.

Get a big playmaker on O. Give Allen a solid run game to take the pressure off him. I'm not opposed to going RB in the 1st if that kid from Texas is still there. I hear he's one of the 3 best players in this draft. I don't care if he is a RB or we took Cook last year. If he's making game changing plays, I'll be happy.

I'll say this for McDermott though. I'm not sure any HC would have done better after the elbow injury to Josh, Miller's injury, White's short season and so many other injuries to deal with. I'm going to guess that the injuries won't be as bad 2 years in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Billl]

On 2/24/2023 at 7:37 AM, Negan said:

Florio is right, another season of not making a Super Bowl and McDermott should be fired, probably Beane too

What top coaching candidate is going to take the job if McDermott were to get fired after the amount of success he’s had?

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Bad plays happen to every QB.  It’s a matter of frequency.  Mahomes threw 100 passes and rushed 12 times in three postseason games.  He didn’t throw any interceptions, and that was his only fumble.  Josh threw 81 passes and rushed 12 times in two postseason games.  He threw 3 interceptions and fumbled 3 times.  That’s a massive difference.

 

Not really considering in the Bengals game he threw 1 prayer at the end trying to make something happen. Mahomes only scored 20 points against the Bengals as he was gifted 3 at the end and was responsible for the Bengals tying the game. 

Last year Allen had 9 touchdowns and 12 incompletions in 2 playoff games and you still blamed him.

 

[Dr.Sack]

Beane is good at cap management, signing FAs, and average at drafting. That is a recipe for .500 ball. 

[Billl]

42 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think there would be quite a few up and coming offensive coordinators who’d gladly take the job and walk into a situation where you already have a top 3 QB to work with….. You’d think they’d have second thoughts if the Bills fired McDermott after going 7-10 or something similar next season? 

Getting fired after going 7-10 is a far cry from getting fired after winning the division for 3 straight years and losing in the divisional round.  If you fire a coach who just went 13-3 and won a playoff game, the job would be looked at as a career killer.

[Billsflyer12]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

Getting fired after going 7-10 is a far cry from getting fired after winning the division for 3 straight years and losing in the divisional round.  If you fire a coach who just went 13-3 and won a playoff game, the job would be looked at as a career killer.

He would be fired for how he lost his last 4 playoff games.  Blowing 16-0 lead at halftime in 1st playoff game, blown out by KC next season playoff, 13 seconds the next, and blown out at home in last season ending playoff game.  Not to mention he is a defensive head coach in era of offensive coaches getting to and winning the Super Bowl.  Winning Super Bowl is the goal right?

[Saxum]

On 2/24/2023 at 6:00 AM, balln said:

I was saying early this year, pressure is ratcheting up on McD.

 

I do not see how yours and Florio's flatulence will put pressure on Coach McD.

[PBF81]

9 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I hope most of the pressure is coming from inside both of them. Beane and McDermott have never come across as unintelligent to me. Ever...There's a needed gut check, and that's the big question right now IMHO. Can they be humble and self-scout to see the most obvious things? Because as good as they are, they got a lot wrong, and squandered some amazing Draft opportunities along the way. They have to get that fixed. They have to improve tactically on both sides of the ball...They have talent...They have plenty of talent if the holes are upgraded.

 

The top 5 HC and GM have to prove they are top 5 this off-season if they want to win a SB...They have to get the formula right...We'll see...

 

What concerns me is that they talk a great game but don't live up to their own standards.  

 

They talk about accountability, character, etc., and McD always talks about handling things as a team afterwards.  But when the Defense fails ridiculously over the past three postseasons, do they hold anyone accountable?  No.  They use the Safeties Coach as the scapegoat, the one position group that actually played better than any other, and without one starter completely all season, and with the other starter missing some time and not at 100% much of the rest of the time.  That's not character.  It's scape-goating, not coming clean, and hiding behind others.  Fans and media are noticing, I'm pretty sure that the players are too.  

 

Diggs' airing of grievances and now Poyer's seeming slap in our face with favorable implications about playing for the Fins are not good signs.  

 

At the end of the day however, the team is hardly getting the most and best from what it has.  "13-Seconds" and our performance against the Bengals (and Fins) both at home, make that abundantly clear.  That's an ongoing and seemingly never-ending problem.  

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by PBF81

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think there would be quite a few up and coming offensive coordinators who’d gladly take the job and walk into a situation where you already have a top 3 QB to work with….. You’d think they’d have second thoughts if the Bills fired McDermott after going 7-10 or something similar next season? 

 

Assuming that you mean an entire regime change, no, I don't think so, because any good GM will easily see that our drafting hasn't been good and whether or not they do, they'll realize that they can to a whole lot better.   I would think that any GM or Coach would love to come to Buffalo, particularly with a brand new stadium coming shortly after they got here.  I think that it's pretty clear that McD's not getting rid of his coordinators unless they walk for other jobs.  

 

It may be good to get another GM/HC before Allen's opt-out year.  We might have difficulty after that if he were to leave, and the odds of him staying would presumably be better after a season or two of working with the new coach.  Our timing always sucks tho, so expect the changes at the worst possible times.  

 

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by PBF81

[Chicken Boo]

On 2/24/2023 at 6:00 AM, balln said:

I was saying early this year, pressure is ratcheting up on McD. Needed to make super bowl this year - team looked stacked early in the year. Now national media ( i think of all the talking heads - sims and florio are the most reasonable and legit ) starting to recognize McD and Beane arent getting the job done. Sims is a little more on the side of needing more impact players which I agree. I still think think the right move was keeping Daboll and leaving frazier and McD in kc parking lot after 13 seconds (and hous and kc playoff game poor D performances)

 

 

 

And you may very well be right.  The Commanders passed on hiring Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay.  Instead they held on to dead weight coaches.

 

"I'm not going to tip toe around it anymore..." - Mike Florio

 

We share that sentiment.  

Edited February 26, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[JohnNord]

On 2/24/2023 at 6:00 AM, balln said:

I was saying early this year, pressure is ratcheting up on McD. Needed to make super bowl this year - team looked stacked early in the year. Now national media ( i think of all the talking heads - sims and florio are the most reasonable and legit ) starting to recognize McD and Beane arent getting the job done. Sims is a little more on the side of needing more impact players which I agree. I still think think the right move was keeping Daboll and leaving frazier and McD in kc parking lot after 13 seconds (and hous and kc playoff game poor D performances)

 

 

Here’s a great example of national sports guys who have no clue what the reality in Buffalo is truly like.  McDermott and Beane are not under any pressure - look at the coaching moves this off-season.  That tells you everything you need to know 

On 2/24/2023 at 7:23 AM, LeGOATski said:

The pressure's been on to make the SB the last two years. Nothing's changed. I don't think "media pressure" should be a thing. Not something that affects a franchise, anyway. I'm more interested in what the owners think and what kind of pressure they're putting on the FO, which we may never know.

Take a look at the assistant coaching changes.  That will tell you everything you need to know.  There were like 2 minor moves this off-season 

[LABILLBACKER]

26 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I was referring to this coming year… if you meant firing McDermott after this past season. Yea. Hard to sell after a 13-3 season. Specifically with the off the field stuff around the team all season even with their no show against Cincinnati….. but I can absolutely see a scenario where the team has a down year next season and it be warranted to fire him wherein many coaches would welcome the opportunity. 
 

Do I see that happening even with a down year? Nah. The Pegulas trust him and they are somewhat clueless owners so my guess is they’d just defer to “continuity”. 

I sure hope we as fans don't just settle for continuity. We don't just accept 10+ win seasons only to get bounced long before we sniff a SB.  And if the Pegulas are somewhat clueless and Terry is distracted over Kim's condition,  that only further protects McB.  They may get another 2-3 year pass playing Marty ball before someone gets fed up. They absolutely can't screw up draft or FA picks anymore.

[Dan in Owego]

9 hours ago, Billl said:

What top coaching candidate is going to take the job if McDermott were to get fired after the amount of success he’s had?

Lot of ego's in the coaching world, so any number of them i'm sure would be willing to take a whirl.

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, Billl said:

What top coaching candidate is going to take the job if McDermott were to get fired after the amount of success he’s had?

 

One might argue that the job would be HIGHLY sought after, especially by progressive offensive minds. The opportunity to coach Allen and Diggs? Better jobs don't really come along.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Billl said:

Getting fired after going 7-10 is a far cry from getting fired after winning the division for 3 straight years and losing in the divisional round.  If you fire a coach who just went 13-3 and won a playoff game, the job would be looked at as a career killer.

Agreed.  McDermott would need a down year.  Dungy got fired from TB after going 9-7 and being embarrassed by Philly in the WC round.  It would have to be something similar to that (or worse) barring an injury to Allen for Pegula to even consider it.  

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

One might argue that the job would be HIGHLY sought after, especially by progressive offensive minds. The opportunity to coach Allen and Diggs? Better jobs don't really come along.

Yes and no.  You'd have a lot of tools at your disposal for immediate success.  However, if you fail you could be a one and done.  See Steve Wilks and Nate Hackett.

[Richard Noggin]

30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Agreed.  McDermott would need a down year.  Dungy got fired from TB after going 9-7 and being embarrassed by Philly in the WC round.  It would have to be something similar to that (or worse) barring an injury to Allen for Pegula to even consider it.  

Yes and no.  You'd have a lot of tools at your disposal for immediate success.  However, if you fail you could be a one and done.  See Steve Wilks and Nate Hackett.

 

Those don't seem like valid comps for the Bills organization in 2023. NFL head coaching jobs with established Top-5 QB and WR just don't really open up often. It's a rare opportunity. The pretext is NOT super important. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Those don't seem like valid comps for the Bills organization in 2023. NFL head coaching jobs with established Top-5 QB and WR just don't really open up often. It's a rare opportunity. The pretext is NOT super important. 

There are no valid comps which is why firing him now would be absurd.  The closest I could come up with is Marty Schottenheimer.  Defensive minded head coach with elite weapons on the offense (Tomlinson, Gates, Brees/Rivers) that went 14-2 only to be fired after losing in the divisional round.  Granted, he never won a playoff game with them despite three straight playoff appearances.  The same can't be said about McDermott.

[stuvian]

We have the major pieces. Despite getting schooled at home vs Cincy I'm not ready for regime change. I felt we looked soft at times last year. I don't think the team recovered from the Damar incident mentally. 

 

I do, however, expect the team to address those issues or I will entertain change this time next year if we are in the same place.

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, stuvian said:

We have the major pieces. Despite getting schooled at home vs Cincy I'm not ready for regime change. I felt we looked soft at times last year. I don't think the team recovered from the Damar incident mentally. 

 

I do, however, expect the team to address those issues or I will entertain change this time next year if we are in the same place.

I'd say get ready to address the situation next year. 

 

History has a way of repeating itself. 

 

McD blew it 2 years ago in 13 seconds, 3 years ago he got schooled by KC, and this year his team led by him laid an egg at home vs Cinci. 

 

How many on here were pounding the drum that the Bills would beat Cinci? You know who you are. I'd say 90% of the people here had that mindset. 

 

Afterwards, it's a switch from winning to an excuse of a tough season. What's next year's excuse? 

 

It's clear that this team hasn't gotten over the hump. Many reasons for that. You pick which one. 

 

Until this team and organization shows me something different I'm inclined to think similar results will occur. Please no Super Bowl talk next year. 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2023 by newcam2012