Pressure is on McBeane - PFT discussion

[balln]

I was saying early this year, pressure is ratcheting up on McD. Needed to make super bowl this year - team looked stacked early in the year. Now national media ( i think of all the talking heads - sims and florio are the most reasonable and legit ) starting to recognize McD and Beane arent getting the job done. Sims is a little more on the side of needing more impact players which I agree. I still think think the right move was keeping Daboll and leaving frazier and McD in kc parking lot after 13 seconds (and hous and kc playoff game poor D performances)

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

60% of the draft allocation is defense.

 

McDermott has gotten his way since 2017.

 

We can bring up he tried Peterman - not once, but twice.

My initial read on him when he was hired was he sounded like Jauron, a typical defensive coach who talked about snowy weather and the physical run game. 

 

13 seconds started his clock ticking, we all saw the passive prevent defense him and Frazier played against Cincinnati, showing they learned nothing from 13 seconds. Meanwhile the Bengals coaching staff had a great plan for Allen. 

 

He’s definitely under the microscope now, with Diggs starting to get more vocal now on every interview about what are we doing and the growing angst of Allen being asked about his elbow non-stop.

 

I think Kansas City was always the backstop. They are the bar of excellence. But to see you’ve also been passed by the Bengals now, has been a harder pill to swallow. 
 

Is he the Marty Schottenheimer of our era? And can Beane actually Draft well enough to stock the shelves? 

 

[H2o]

I'm not saying McDermott is the coach we need long term, but look at Andy Reid in Philly. He won 6 division titles, 10 Playoff games overall, made 5 NFCC games, lost 3 NFCC games in a row, won the 4th of those NFCC games, and lost to the Pats in his only SB appearance. He then goes to KC, has a very talented group from FO to players, now has two Lombardi's, and is considered one of the greatest coaches of all time. 

 

The pressure is squarely on the FO and coaching staff to get this right though. Everyone on the outside looking in says the exact same things. Sports media, fans, everyone sees the Bills need OL help and more weapons for Josh. No QB in the NFL has achieved more with less. 

[LeGOATski]

The pressure's been on to make the SB the last two years. Nothing's changed. I don't think "media pressure" should be a thing. Not something that affects a franchise, anyway. I'm more interested in what the owners think and what kind of pressure they're putting on the FO, which we may never know.

[colin]

only the real extra positive people are still not openly questioning our FO and coaches (cover 1 guys are pretty pollyanna, but i bet they come around).

 

all im gonna say is better coaches have been fired from less stacked teams for better results.

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, colin said:

all im gonna say is better coaches have been fired from less stacked teams for better results.

who?

 

There comes a time when a coach's tenure with a team runs its course, but it's usually after they miss the playoffs and/or lose the locker room somehow.

[balln]

12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The pressure's been on to make the SB the last two years. Nothing's changed. I don't think "media pressure" should be a thing. Not something that affects a franchise, anyway. I'm more interested in what the owners think and what kind of pressure they're putting on the FO, which we may never know.

Owners know nothing about football. Media has a huge influence on them 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

60% of the draft allocation is defense.

 

McDermott has gotten his way since 2017.

 

We can bring up he tried Peterman - not once, but twice.

My initial read on him when he was hired was he sounded like Jauron, a typical defensive coach who talked about snowy weather and the physical run game. 

 

13 seconds started his clock ticking, we all saw the passive prevent defense him and Frazier played against Cincinnati, showing they learned nothing from 13 seconds. Meanwhile the Bengals coaching staff had a great plan for Allen. 

 

He’s definitely under the microscope now, with Diggs starting to get more vocal now on every interview about what are we doing and the growing angst of Allen being asked about his elbow non-stop.

 

I think Kansas City was always the backstop. They are the bar of excellence. But to see you’ve also been passed by the Bengals now, has been a harder pill to swallow. 
 

Is he the Marty Schottenheimer of our era? And can Beane actually Draft well enough to stock the shelves? 

 

KC has also drafted majority defense.

[balln]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

60% of the draft allocation is defense.

 

McDermott has gotten his way since 2017.

 

We can bring up he tried Peterman - not once, but twice.

My initial read on him when he was hired was he sounded like Jauron, a typical defensive coach who talked about snowy weather and the physical run game. 

 

13 seconds started his clock ticking, we all saw the passive prevent defense him and Frazier played against Cincinnati, showing they learned nothing from 13 seconds. Meanwhile the Bengals coaching staff had a great plan for Allen. 

 

He’s definitely under the microscope now, with Diggs starting to get more vocal now on every interview about what are we doing and the growing angst of Allen being asked about his elbow non-stop.

 

I think Kansas City was always the backstop. They are the bar of excellence. But to see you’ve also been passed by the Bengals now, has been a harder pill to swallow. 
 

Is he the Marty Schottenheimer of our era? And can Beane actually Draft well enough to stock the shelves? 

 

For sure- had same jauron vibes. “We’ll we gotta look at the tape”

 

”gotta have faith”

 

”hard to win in this league”

[Gregg]

Beane has to do 3 things well this offseason for the Bills to have a good chance to win the Super Bowl.

 

1. Improve the OL. Everyone knows it's been said a billion times on this message board.

2. Get an #2 WR

3. Plug in the holes on D as we are probably losing Edmunds and Poyer.

Edited February 24, 2023 by Gregg

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, balln said:

Owners know nothing about football. Media has a huge influence on them 

I would hope not. That's a sure sign of a poorly run franchise. Have the Bills under Pegulas/Beane/McDermott shown any signs of being affected by the pressures of a fickle media?

[bobobonators]

14 minutes ago, colin said:

only the real extra positive people are still not openly questioning our FO and coaches (cover 1 guys are pretty pollyanna, but i bet they come around).

 

all im gonna say is better coaches have been fired from less stacked teams for better results.

Which “better” coaches have achieved  more with less and been fired. Im dying to see this list you come up with. 

[Billsflyer12]

The Five-Year Rule: No team has ever started the same quarterback under the same head coach for more than five years and seen that duo win its first championship.

[colin]

Just now, bobobonators said:

Which “better” coaches have achieved  more with less and been fired. Im dying to see this list you come up with. 

 

bobobonators, you came back!  i thought you were out!  

 

I missed you.

[balln]

12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I would hope not. That's a sure sign of a poorly run franchise. Have the Bills under Pegulas/Beane/McDermott shown any signs of being affected by the pressures of a fickle media?

Yea. They fired Ralph Kruger 

 

they also hired Rex Ryan 

Edited February 24, 2023 by balln

[colin]

23 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

who?

 

There comes a time when a coach's tenure with a team runs its course, but it's usually after they miss the playoffs and/or lose the locker room somehow.

 

brian billick, marty shotty, reid in philly, many more if you include coordinators who got sacrificed.

 

HC and DC staying after 13 seconds and the failure last year is legit crazy.  baltimore (and you can perhaps say these moves were sacrificial, but it's at least action) shot their OC and DC after not being satisfied w how they have done, and they played cinci way better than we did in back to back weeks (shoulda won the last one), and that's w a UPS driver at QB.  

 

like, how would our team look if allen was hurt and not playing?  to me the fact that we'd all assume a terrible loss (hell, we had one vs cincy w our goat qb ready to go) is a real reflection on what the coaches and front office have here sans josh allen.

 

 

edit: to your point -- we have been just savagely trucked at least once in every single year that mcd has been here.  sadly in 2022/2023 it was in a home divisional playoff game.  between those total team lay downs and the chirping from diggs and allen, i think it's safe to say that the bills players are wise to the fact that their roster is not balanced and that their coaches are not top shelf.

Edited February 24, 2023 by colin

[Mrbojanglezs]

Beane hasn't done a great job filling this team with cheap productive draft picks

[balln]

3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Beane hasn't done a great job filling this team with cheap productive draft picks

Nope Jake Fromm , Ricky proehl, Matt arazia , VOsean , not even in the league 

10 minutes ago, colin said:

 

brian billick, marty shotty, reid in philly, many more if you include coordinators who got sacrificed.

 

HC and DC staying after 13 seconds and the failure last year is legit crazy.  baltimore (and you can perhaps say these moves were sacrificial, but it's at least action) shot their OC and DC after not being satisfied w how they have done, and they played cinci way better than we did in back to back weeks (shoulda won the last one), and that's w a UPS driver at QB.  

 

like, how would our team look if allen was hurt and not playing?  to me the fact that we'd all assume a terrible loss (hell, we had one vs cincy w our goat qb ready to go) is a real reflection on what the coaches and front office have here sans josh allen.

 

 

edit: to your point -- we have been just savagely trucked at least once in every single year that mcd has been here.  sadly in 2022/2023 it was in a home divisional playoff game.  between those total team lay downs and the chirping from diggs and allen, i think it's safe to say that the bills players are wise to the fact that their roster is not balanced and that their coaches are not top shelf.

Yea kc / cincy never look like they don’t belong in any game. 
 

bills v Indy 

bills vs Philly / Carson 

bills vs saints at home 

 

bills and cincy looked like a preseason game / drought era drubbing 

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, balln said:

Nope Jake Fromm , Ricky proehl, Matt arazia , VOsean , not even in the league 

Yea kc / cincy never look like they don’t belong in any game. 
 

bills v Indy 

bills vs Philly / Carson 

bills vs saints at home 

 

bills and cincy looked like a preseason game / drought era drubbing 

 

Didn't the Bengals get blown out by the Browns this past year.

[colin]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Didn't the Bengals get blown out by the Browns this past year.

 

they had the excuse of top talent being hurt.

 

im not saying cinci and kc are perfect, but they are our afc rivals and they are way way better than us as teams when the chips are down.  when i see the bills falter, i see either obvious coaching blunders (13 seconds) or i see a team that lacks preparation and confidence, which to me is on the coaches.

 

my bottom line -- if the results of the bills are evidence of good coaching, then the results of marvin lewis in cinci was evidence of good coaching.