Don Otreply Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Lamar isn’t doing himself any favors, it would not surprise me in the slightest that no one trades for him, and Baltimore refuses to give in, then he pouts and sits out the upcoming season, and then gets released and ends up on a crap team, and become just another QB who coulda been a contender…, it would make a great thirty for thirty episode, 😂 Edited March 27, 2023 by Don Otreply Quote
nucci Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Is he considered under contract? Hasn't signed so how do you trade him? Quote
Doc Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Lamar isn’t doing himself any favors, it would not surprise me in the slightest that no one trades for him, and Baltimore refuses to give in, then he pouts and sits out the upcoming season, and then gets released and ends up on a crap team, and become just another QB who coulda been a contender…, it would make a great thirty for thirty episode, 😂 He'll just cost himself even more money he'll never recoup if he sits out, especially since he'll be fined $88K for missing minicamp and $30K/day for missing training camp. Then game checks. 2 minutes ago, nucci said: Is he considered under contract? Hasn't signed so how do you trade him? He's been franchise tagged. Quote
Bruffalo Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Yes, Lamar, this is what potential teams want. A QB with no agent that airs it all out on Twitter. That'll definitely increase your value. 2 2 Quote
nucci Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: He's been franchise tagged. doesn't he have to sign it before being traded? Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, nucci said: doesn't he have to sign it before being traded? Yes he does. But I think that once Lamar has a deal in place, and a trade in place, THEN he would sign the tag in order for everything to be executed. 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, nucci said: doesn't he have to sign it before being traded? Yes,technically. But players have no recourse but to sign or they just get no money and no year accrued. Quote
DCOrange Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, nucci said: Is he considered under contract? Hasn't signed so how do you trade him? He can't be traded unless he signs the franchise tag/signs a new contract. Presumably any team that negotiates a trade for him would also be negotiating a new contract for him before the trade is executed. Edited March 27, 2023 by DCOrange 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Yes he does. But I think that once Lamar has a deal in place, and a trade in place, THEN he would sign the tag in order for everything to be executed. So what I'm reading is that teams can't outbid the transition tag 2 firsts for a QB as well. So the market is still 2 firsts and a fully GTD contract for LJ. Just like the last 3 weeks. Quote
Doc Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: So what I'm reading is that teams can't outbid the transition tag 2 firsts for a QB as well. So the market is still 2 firsts and a fully GTD contract for LJ. Just like the last 3 weeks. I believe the Ravens can ask for lower compensation. Quote
DCOrange Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Doc said: I believe the Ravens can ask for lower compensation. Correct. A trade does not have to include two 1st round picks (though it probably should just from a trade value perspective). Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Lamar isn’t doing himself any favors, it would not surprise me in the slightest that no one trades for him, and Baltimore refuses to give in, then he pouts and sits out the upcoming season, and then gets released and ends up on a crap team, and become just another QB who coulda been a contender…, it would make a great thirty for thirty episode, 😂 I think this is the nail in the coffin of him sitting this year out. Only way he plays is if hes willing to sign a deal like the Ravens offered previously, which was what? Like 3 years fully guaranteed? Then you kinda know you wont be able to sign him once that expires. Now he's three years older, his value is down again lol what a mess, hes playing his way out of the league. Would not shock me in the least if weve seen the last of him on a field. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: So what I'm reading is that teams can't outbid the transition tag 2 firsts for a QB as well. So the market is still 2 firsts and a fully GTD contract for LJ. Just like the last 3 weeks. Yep, nothing is changing. Lamar: Just now, Doc said: I believe the Ravens can ask for lower compensation. I dont think they can. Give me a sec to find a link.... 2 Quote
nucci Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: Correct. A trade does not have to include two 1st round picks (though it probably should just from a trade value perspective). I get that everything is negotiable but as soon as he signs the franchise tag, doesn't the team owe 2 firsts? Quote
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yep, nothing is changing. Lamar: I dont think they can. Give me a sec to find a link.... Except Lamar revealing to the world that no one has wanted him at his price point for a month instead of 2 weeks. It's like telling potential employers you've been unemployed for 6 months when they ask what you've been doing the last two weeks. 1 1 Quote
TOboy Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, nucci said: I get that everything is negotiable but as soon as he signs the franchise tag, doesn't the team owe 2 firsts? I think the Ravens have the right to match. If they choose not to, then they are owed the 2 1st rounders. So a team could conceivably offer more compensation to get the Ravens to let him go. Quote
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, TOboy said: I think the Ravens have the right to match. If they choose not to, then they are owed the 2 1st rounders. So a team could conceivably offer more compensation to get the Ravens to let him go. Don't think so. The compensation can't exceed 2 firsts by the rules of the tag. 1 Quote
TheFunPolice Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) If Lamar is determined not to play there anymore then the Ravens should cash in now while his price would be highest. Don't be the Packers and let it become personal and petty. Do what is good for business. You don't want to be the team holding a young, superstar QB's career hostage from either a PR or business standpoint. If they announced that they were willing to do a traditional trade then there would be suitors and they could get a huge haul. Edited March 27, 2023 by TheFunPolice 2 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: Don't think so. The compensation can't exceed 2 firsts by the rules of the tag. Could the Ravens do a 1 day/ $1 contract to get around that? Seems like there are some creative solutions here. Its so weird to handcuff a team to their own detriment, when the tag was a measure that was supposed to give teams leverage. If Balt, Team X, and Lamar are all on the same page about a deal, why would the NFL split hairs and block it? Weird 1 Quote
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